Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Albinosaurus wrote:
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GeorgAnatoly wrote:
If risk/reward isn't considered then why do you want them behind malachai? Why not just get them automatically every tenth level?


I wouldn't mind that solution either, but like I said, I'm going for a compromise here. I also stated why putting it behind Malachai would be a good choice. Not sure if you're arguing just to argue, or if you're actually reading what I wrote.


My point was how is GGG supposed to take any of these complaints and solutions seriously if they just boil down to 'I want points easier'.
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XerxezBreak wrote:
The problem people find with Labyrinth is it requires a thought process which most Path of Exile players have lost or never had to begin with.

Incorporating a puzzle into the game gives players time to think about their next move rather than become mindless zombies.

This is why Labyrinth is one of the greatest features to the game, it gives players an opportunity to use their brain!


LvL 92 Juggernaut - Sc

Made one char in prophecy hc. Was a Juggernaut... fun...
My brother and I used to play Path of Exile together. I´m sure we talked hundreds of hours about builds and the game itself. We loved the game until that lab came out. Its such a pain to do the lab 3-4 times with every char in HC. And we won´t start Sc because we want defensive/safe/"good" builds with a good dps...
Now imagine one of us dies (already happened twice in lab)... he has to start all over again with a new char.... and the other one shall wait? = The one who died does not start a new char.... and the other one can play alone....wow...

Also if you are a hc player and see traps.... you aren't cool in front of traps... you shit your pants and start running.... you are afraid... and run into traps because of that... and probably die easier than in sc.

Now we took a break and hopefully they'll make an alternative way to ascend. That's why i always check the forums and want some change... to get back that precious and fun time. :(
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GeorgAnatoly wrote:
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Albinosaurus wrote:
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GeorgAnatoly wrote:
If risk/reward isn't considered then why do you want them behind malachai? Why not just get them automatically every tenth level?


I wouldn't mind that solution either, but like I said, I'm going for a compromise here. I also stated why putting it behind Malachai would be a good choice. Not sure if you're arguing just to argue, or if you're actually reading what I wrote.


My point was how is GGG supposed to take any of these complaints and solutions seriously if they just boil down to 'I want points easier'.


If that's how you are interpreting it, you will never see the answer, because you are missing the point.
Tired of trolls? Ignore them.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1473168
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traax87 wrote:
Lab haters are the vocal minority. Pls, do not give them to much attention. They are not able to do the most simple tasks to get the powerfull ac points.


Because this league is sooo popular err no. Troll 0 Lab Haters still , well a lot of threads which pretty much all hate it for the same reasons. People also hate getting kicked in the nuts all for the same reason too. That does not mean they are all wrong.
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Albinosaurus wrote:
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Turtledove wrote:
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Funkdubious wrote:
How many of these threads were created by the same 10 or so players that seem to feel compelled to post a new thread with the same complaint every day?

I'm not super into the lab myself, but running it for ascendancy points has never caused me any issues. I would prefer that the end drops in uber lab were more rewarding, though.


When compiling the list I really didn't notice lots of common authors. I wasn't tempted at the time to record the authors along with the title and link. If someone wanted to do the work to add that information to the list then I would be willing to do that. What I don't want to happen though is for people to start creating new threads to just get on the list.


Ignore stuff like that. It's not even true, and its goal is the same as ad hominem attacks. It's a useless comment.


No, it's somewhat true. I'm halfway thru the list and found 45+ threads by the same 20 or so posters, at least 2 threads are repeated in the list and one that no longer exists. A few have no reason to even be on this list.

A majority of the links are just simple "Lab killed me I quit" or "lab sucks get rid of it" posts or they were complaints that were already addressed (CI or hybrid ES).

I lack the will to go through it any further, can't take anymore mindless drivel for the day. There are some quality posts in there for sure though. It's hard to find them through all the BS.

Just a lowly standard player. May RNGesus be with you.
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Shovelcut wrote:

No, it's somewhat true. I'm halfway thru the list and found 45+ threads by the same 20 or so posters, at least 2 threads are repeated in the list and one that no longer exists. A few have no reason to even be on this list.

A majority of the links are just simple "Lab killed me I quit" or "lab sucks get rid of it" posts or they were complaints that were already addressed (CI or hybrid ES).

I lack the will to go through it any further, can't take anymore mindless drivel for the day. There are some quality posts in there for sure though. It's hard to find them through all the BS.


I guess you are asserting that 20 authors created 45 threads? So, someone else was asserting that it was 10 threads per author. Your estimate is much closer to the truth, I'm certain. If there's a duplicate thread listed then please let me know so that I can delete one in the list. I'm open to publicly discussing any thread about whether or not it should be on the list. Please back up something that you assert, I would really appreciate it. I'd be surprised if there was a dead link in the list, since I reviewed the OP in every thread. If there is one then let me know so I can fix it.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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XerxezBreak wrote:
The problem people find with Labyrinth is it requires a thought process which most Path of Exile players have lost or never had to begin with.

Incorporating a puzzle into the game gives players time to think about their next move rather than become mindless zombies.

This is why Labyrinth is one of the greatest features to the game, it gives players an opportunity to use their brain!


Ah... If only you were correct.

I would love it if GGG fixed the Labyrinth such that I had to use my brain. A puzzle which makes up less than 5% of my time inside just isn't enough.

Instead, I can practically hear my brain cells committing suicide, one by one, as they lament the ennui of their existence and scold me for forcing them to experience the tedium represented by the Labyrinth's dominant gameplay. The Uber Trials are just as bad, too.
Wash your hands, Exile!
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Turtledove wrote:

I guess you are asserting that 20 authors created 45 threads? So, someone else was asserting that it was 10 threads per author. Your estimate is much closer to the truth, I'm certain.

It's not an estimate, it's the hard numbers from going through the first 130 or so links.

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Turtledove wrote:
If there's a duplicate thread listed then please let me know so that I can delete one in the list. I'm open to publicly discussing any thread about whether or not it should be on the list.


Hey, I'm not the "keeper of the list". If you care enough then you go back through it, I certainly will not. But here's a tip for finding them quicker...
Spoiler
hit CTRL + F and paste each thread number in. :P


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Turtledove wrote:
Please back up something that you assert, I would really appreciate it.

Here ya go!
Feel free to go through these and check the numbers and conclusions. I did go through them all and read each and every OP. I'd say it's accurate + or - 1 poster. Hard to keep track when my kids are bothering me, there was a couple times I was looking at the same thread and had to double or triple check that I wasn't re-counting them. hehe


Lab sucks https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702859

Trial of Burning Rage is easily my least favorite endgame Trial. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702478

The lab makes me wish Half life 3 was out... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702655

Many threads that have discussed problems with labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702621

Please fix pathing in the lab and trials https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702477

Lab is so bad https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702555

Lab is so bad https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702171

Lab is so bad https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702089

Lab is so bad https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1701990

Lab is so bad https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1701380

5 Alternate Ascendancy Methods https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1700863

I know some great optometrists https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/post-reply/1700613

LAB And Predictive Mode https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1699674

A complete lab rework ..... funmode https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1697465

An idea to make lab traps less frustrating without making them less difficult https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1697758

Plz fix https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1697806

GGG pls tell us the release date of the next major patch https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1697672

A few suggestions to the labyrinth to make less people hate it. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1697354

It's a labyrinth, not a dungeon... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1696202

Lab traps need nerfed https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1695176

uber lab ruined this game for me https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1692762

Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1690630

Labyrinth would be fine if... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1688682

Lab should be really called "Prison" https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1689116

My 2c on Lab https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1687889

Why would GGG introduce content that people HATE https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1688902

Put Ascendency points as a reward for defeating Malachai. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1686222

The Labyrinth is great content https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1686329

Why the uber lab is a fuck-up https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1683137

The Ascendency Labyrinth - My Conclusions so far and how to solve the Problem! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1681139

Labyrinth is to hard for noobs like me. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1666613

Open Letter to Chris Wilson (on making the labyrinth more inclusive) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1664975

I hate the lab https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1665824

Lab is so bad https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1701380

The Labyrinth has a poor risk-to-reward structure. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1657066

I, Slayertip, Have officially given up hope for GGG. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1655871

Labyrinth - CI, Low-Life, and Energy Shield in general. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1600645

Stupid Lab Is The Worst Thing Ever! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1663717

[Suggestion] Completing Trials in any Difficulty unlocks the Lab in all Difficulties (illustrated) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1653612

Labyrinth/Ascendancy improvements https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1662854

Well, it's the third time i've run lab since the last time it crashed on me. Of COURSE it crashed! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1662848

Skipping labyrinth - a solution? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1662065

The message when you try to leave the labyrinth needs to be reworked. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1659783

checkpoint reset in the labyrinth instead of total reset on death https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1659461

Suggestions to GGG for Ascendency points https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1658077

terrible labyrinths are so bad https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1656452

Has any more consideration been given to Lab? (it's terrible) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1656216

my 2 cents for the Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1655181

About Labyrinth and traps https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1654017

Put a prompt before leaving the lab in chest room https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1652187

no more traps https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1651694

please design better traps https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1651809

ZiggyD's Labyrinth Suggestion https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1650718

The (Non)issue with the labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1651197

Ascendancy points should be Dominus(1) and Malachai (1) kill rewards https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1650932

How to improve the labyrinth. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1607675

LAB - Tired to been disconnected https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1649815

The labyrinth is both boring and frustrating https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1600374

Labyrinth,the worst content ever made in POE? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602474

SET FREE ASCENDANCY POINTS (remove AC from lab) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609216

[Poll] It's been a month now, how much do you like the labyrinth/acendancy class/enchantments? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1639251

Labyrinth sucks https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599400

Labrynth = not fun https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599118

Labyrinth an all difficulties? absolute horror, who has time for this? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1654766

Lab is boring https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1654094

Labyrinth makes me want to stop playing. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1652039

The Labyrinth Reduced *My* Retention https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1648622

Labyrinth has killed any motivation to make new characters for me. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1650687

Ascendancy points can be rewarded out of Labyrinth. Lab is forced just to have a build https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1647982

Quitting PoE after years due to Labyrinth System https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1607115

Server shut down during Labyrinth's final boss https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1649386

idea for making the labyrinth more optional https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1646427

How to fail Labyrinth with 91lvl character on Normal https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1600512

DCs Especially in Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1642527

Lab Sigh.... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1641568

Doing the labyrinth with a CI character: Please GGG, fix it ? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1634596

Labyrinth way too long https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1638651

My wallet will talk https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1642689

Im done https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1640022

Let's Talk Compromise https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1639840

Quick fix for the labyrinth: Orb of Enchantment https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1626083

Labyrinth killed the game for me https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1637861

Ready to say goodbye to an old friend. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1635252

Just When The Game Had Roped Me Back In, I Think I’m Done Again https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1631143

Labyrinth is trash https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1625607

The Labyrinth as a returning player. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1626681

I never want to play the labyrinth ever again. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1619098

After thousen of hours and dollars, i now feel like quiting https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1623311

Does anyone actually enjoy Labyrinth? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602524

Petition to get GGG to add Nascar-Style Racing to PoE https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1612436

The Labyrinth can imprison you? Are you serious??? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609752

Labyrinth = Worst addon ever https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609842

My solution for Labyrinth - Abandon runs with difficult traps https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1627246

The Labyrinth is not fun https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1623748

To much Diesync in Labyrinth for Predictive End Fight https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1615082

[POLLS] Traps: What works, what doesn't, how can GGG fix what's broken? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1625332

Some improvements for lab https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1623275

The lab was the final nail https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621003

Pure and hybrid ES is basicly screwed in lab. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618697

Labyrinth and Visibility https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1622033

The Lab's pacing https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621396

Improving Traps in the Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621394

Suggestion (updated): One of the biggest gripes with the Labyrinth can be solved by... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618436

LAB FKN FAIL https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618978

Sorry, not good enough. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1605295

My thoughts on the lab. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1619593

Quitting POE now after the labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599749

Alternate way to Ascend https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602696

The labyrinth's interaction with ES-based builds. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618873

Labryinth Key (Currency) - Unlocks Boss Fight only version https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618533

Labyrinth is Horrible https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1604737

The Impossible Lab. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618302

Challenges... in Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616168

Farewell, my friends! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609642

Please remove 'Restart on death' from Labyrinth. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617190

Cleared labyrinth cruel, got 0 ascendancy points. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616950

My 2 cents https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617410

Traps https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617417

Died in labyrinth, couldnt flame dash, fake line of sight https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616996

Make Lab Optional - some Ideas https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616910

Labyrinth - Fix trap damage to set amounts in normal, rather than % of life / ES https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616743

No state save on disconnect in Labyrinth?? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1615253

I've made up my mind about the Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1614981

Why does Lab actually reset zones? That is terrible design. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1614152

Labyrinth sections reset?! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1614138

An idea about Ascendancy and the dreaded Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1613410

Here is why the Labyrinth favours softcore and is a very bad design. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1610755

Died last night... uber lab trial this time... quitting poe again https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1696107

As someone who actually doesn't hate the lab, I must say https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1696787

Labyrinth "balance" https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1611700

Poe Ascendancy went downhill , patch & GAME is horrible. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1610258

Labyrinth = Worst addon ever https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609842

My Problems with the Labyrith https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1610210

Labirynth is forcing hardcore on standard players. Why would you do that?? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608967

Don't like how the lab is implemented https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608889

GGG Read this: Labyrinth Advice from a Loyal Player https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608502


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Turtledove wrote:
I'd be surprised if there was a dead link in the list, since I reviewed the OP in every thread. If there is one then let me know so I can fix it.

If by review you mean you just included any thread that had "lab/laby/labyrinth" or any other variant in the title or body, sure.

It's one of the "Lab is so bad" threads. First one on your list actually.

As an added bonus, one of your links brings you straight to making a reply. Have fun finding it! :P
Just a lowly standard player. May RNGesus be with you.
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Shovelcut wrote:
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Turtledove wrote:

I guess you are asserting that 20 authors created 45 threads? So, someone else was asserting that it was 10 threads per author. Your estimate is much closer to the truth, I'm certain.

It's not an estimate, it's the hard numbers from going through the first 130 or so links.


Okay, 20 authors created 45 threads in the first 130 or so links. Since you think that is interesting I'll add it to the OP. Is there some interesting thing I could say in there?

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Turtledove wrote:
I'd be surprised if there was a dead link in the list, since I reviewed the OP in every thread. If there is one then let me know so I can fix it.

If by review you mean you just included any thread that had "lab/laby/labyrinth" or any other variant in the title or body, sure.

It's one of the "Lab is so bad" threads. First one on your list actually.

As an added bonus, one of your links brings you straight to making a reply. Have fun finding it! :P[/quote]

Thank you
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1703633

Add mine to the list, Turtledove.

It only got 21 views (I think I should've been histrionic, might've garnered more attention). I think it's still a valid complaint with a reasonable suggestion.

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