SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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SearchingforCocaCola wrote:

Lab (including map trials) is the best part of the game imo. Why mess with the best part? Helps keep a difference between regan and leech builds, as well as the life flask pantheon.

Lab, elder (not even shaper anymore) uber atziri, incursi double corrupt rooms, xoph/chaluya breech, and vaaling a solid unique, give the best gamble excitement of anything in the game. Of all those lab is the only one to reach cheap and easily.

How is your reply anything other than a non-sequitur?

You're saying that running lab is profitable and you get a thrill when finding out what you get (I think). But, this thread is about getting access to prestige class skills in a way other than running lab.

If you said "I really hate eating crab and I really don't like that eating it is a requirement to receive the job for which I just applied" then it wouldn't make much sense for somebody to say that crab is a very healthy meal and that they like it.

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Turtledove wrote:

You ignore the fact, once again, that Labyrinth is boring crap game play for many people. Your "git gud" argument is totally bogus and just an example of your penchant for being insulting. This "git gud" argument has been destroyed many times. Right there in Moonginator's post he specified clearly why he doesn't like the boring Labyrinth game play. "Git gud" has nothing to do with it. Some people just don't like the Labyrinth game play.

Let's keep it short :
- irrelevant to what I said there, of course
- no it hasn't lol ( in your fantasy world maybe I guess heh )
- but it has ( with some of it, as I pointed out ), but I'm not expecting you to understand or have any arguments that aren't strawman and irrelevant things.

If it was just "I don't like it", then sure, you don't like it, moving on ...
But it's not, it's trying to find fallacious excuses, and it's been like that for a very long time.

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Oblitus wrote:

Fruz is known white knight.

See ? proving my point over and over a gain :
no substance, no content, straigth going ad-hominem and jumping into irrelevant fallacious things to derail because you guys have nothing to back up any of it apart from the original claim "I don't like it", which everybody has heard and honestly no one gives a damn about.

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

But, this thread is about getting access to prestige class skills

There is no "prestige class" in PoE, you are talking about a different game.

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Fruz wrote:

Let's keep it short :
- irrelevant to what I said there, of course
- no it hasn't lol ( in your fantasy world maybe I guess heh )
- but it has ( with some of it, as I pointed out ), but I'm not expecting you to understand or have any arguments that aren't strawman and irrelevant things.

You really need to look up what a straw man argument means. You keep using it incorrectly.

Git gud is irrelevant. Moonginator and I have far better knowledge of our own opinions than you do despite your silly assertions otherwise. You keep using this silly argument for one of three reasons.

1. You are trolling
2. You are just being insulting
3. You are just being dumb

I really don't see any other explanation.

The more we play lab does NOT help in making us like lab. We've been playing this crap for a long time. I have 25 offerings to the goddess in my fragment tab right now, for example.

Now Fruz, explain to us how you can know more about our own opinion of lab game play than we know ourselves. If you can't then please let me know which of the three reasons above you keep saying that you do know the source of our own opinions better than us.

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The_Reporter wrote:

That same guy is still telling people what they think and like? Wow!

Yes, and his two favorite arguments still seem to be
"Git gud"
and
GGG has already heard your opinion so shut up. Of course he fails to realize that he's also stated his opinion here as well. But, it's okay for him but not for anyone else to repeat themselves on the forum.

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Turtledove wrote:

You really need to look up what a straw man argument means. You keep using it incorrectly.

I don't.
You need to read and stop tunnel visionning to your convenience though, really.
Or are you going to pretend that you and the bully brigade never used any straw man ? /rofl
Hint : your message :


It's still baffling ( and quite pathetic ) how you keep pretending that "git gut" can never be used regarding lab.
Let's take the relevant quote ( because you can't be fucked reading anything by yourself it seems ) :

" I'm stuck because today's Eternal lab layout is nearly impossible for my Delve toon to do (since it's not lab friendly)"
=> 'git gud', it's clearly a problem from the author this quote (Mooginator) if he can't do uber lab (not a problem from the lab), it's so blatantly obvious that even somebody with so little experience as you should understand that.
I'm waiting for the bad faith now, or not, maybe I won't waste too much time here ( I definitely should not ).

Its uber lab, and ascendency trials, not uber elder, uber atziri, or parandus manor for crying out loud. This is like saying change merveil's cold tornado's they are way to scary to attempt.

It cost 4 chaos, 4500 life (which is nothing) and a decent amount of damage, and if that is to much put all movement speed/life gear on (for traps) grab the recharge life flask every 3 seconds pantheon, and use 8-12 regrets to grab life/regan/movement nodes, while paying someone 10c to carry you through.

I actually completed the Eternal Lab on the 4th try. The first four trys had trap combinations I simply could not overcome - I've honestly never seen the combinations that I encountered today and at most had to run Eternal Lab twice with prior characters (80% of the time completing on 1st run with all other builds). It wasn't a layout issue, it was a RNG issue tied to the actual RNG trap rooms. They were utterly insane. Perhaps new/changed for 3.4 - hard to say.

The 4th try - the traps were perhaps 1/5th of what they were with the previous 3 runs. It was a "bit" challenging, but doable, and as such I was successful.

But this alone shows the insanity and stupidty of the Lab. It was a complete waste of time, miserable, and I hated every moment of it - as I always do (as do many others). Also, it has NOTHING to do with playing PoE. Lab runners are less than 1% of players (I bet 0.25% or less). Why? BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE THE LAB. They only run it to get their ascendances and they don't want to deal with the ridiculous trap system.

The Lab is the most complained about feature of PoE going back years; just google it. Hundreds of posts by thousands of people.

I guarantee the Lab will be removed as a requirement sometime in the future (I say this because the content cannot evolve or go anywhere, nor will it support the evolution of PoE - it holds the game back) - but it'll be "too little too late" and "why the hell didn't they do this years ago?" just like icon and custom sound FX for map drops... which we just got... but should have received years ago...

GGG is very disconnected from the community when it comes to many "core" QOL features of PoE, delivering adjustments to such features at a pace that make the US Congress look fast.