SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Apocalypso_ wrote:

I was waiting for soooo long for any changes to labirynth. It's still "a must" to get points, however i hate it with all my heart, it's boring, unrewarding. I love killing mobs but i hate going through this sh**.

Apocalypso_, thank you for voicing your opinion on the hated sh** labyrinth. I've added your name to the list of posters that have voiced a similar opinion now at 917 names long. As the list grows longer our voice grows stronger. Over 330 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 910 posters in support

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Apocalypso_ first played PoE far before most of us. He's posted almost 300 times in the forums. This being the first time posting about his dislike of labyrinth indicates that there are still many more that share that opinion but have not yet let GGG know.

Apocalypso_, I don't know if you've played the 3.0 Beta yet, I haven't, but GGG has apparently made some improvements to labyrinth. The length of the first two labyrinths have been cut way back and feedback in the GGG Beta feedback thread, https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1921988 seems to indicate that there is little sh** trap game play left in the first two labyrinths. GGG has indicated that their goal is to make at least the first 4 ascendancy points available without having to over level your character first.

great success. you gathered 917 opinions.
for reference - legacy launch concurrent online was 150k users and 1st days unique player count somewhat closer to million.
also POE has about 20mil registred accounts.

so, at best, you represent a marginal sample that is orders of magnitude lesser than standart error for this amount of players.

I wonder how actually delusional you should be.

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Kellog wrote:

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raics wrote:

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Kellog wrote:

I honestly have no idea what 'issue' you believe I have, apart from trying to understand whatever it is your saying. Moreover, I couldn't care less if killing Izaro an getting some Ascendency Points and other rewards is the same, in your mind, as killing TDoTD, The simple fact is, this thread is not about the rewards it's about how they're obtained. Continuing to harp on about carrots and sticks is completely meaningless.

Well, we don't really have an issue with it, you do.The point of all that carrot&stick talk, in case it wasn't clear enough so far, is that the game doesn't necessarily have to be fun all the way for everyone, that isn't the way it works. It would be ideal if it was so but it isn't a hard requirement as long as you have other elements that keep people in the game, I don't think it's even possible, honestly.

I never suggested the game should be 'fun' from start to finish, however, keep adding aspects of the game that are annoying and make some people despise playing, will not win many friends.

As I said before, we've done the 'carrot and stick' thing now, no need to keep repeating the thing ad-infinitum, it's in danger of becoming a meme. Moreover, as previously mentioned, I don't have a problem doing the lab, I don't like it in it's current form and I wish there we as alternative. That is what this thread is about.

Well I am suggesting a game should be difficult and sometimes a little frustrating but always fun. It also should not go too far out of genre.

Can you imagine if they made a pokeman game where you had to capture actual animals and "mark" spots on the map with urine. Also you had to while doing this recite the constitution of every free nation.
And still in the game capture pokeman and occasionaly mud wrestling their owners IRL to steal them.

Or like I said replace the lab with chess and a Zork clone.

Games should be hard sure but they need to stay close to genre and the content can be hard but should not be shitty to at a minimum 20% of the playerbase (based on people do not use alternative facts to obscure the issue).

Labyrinth = Satan confirmed.

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raics wrote:

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

Also, it would really be unfortunate if character progression was gated behind Shaper, given that you don't like running Shaper.

Right?

Sure, if we assume they are dumb enough to gate prestige classes behind an uber-endgame raid boss. That was done by nobody ever, at least as far as my memory serves, feel free to correct me.

Everquest had spells and abilities (mana regen) gated behind uber once a week end game bosses one guild could get.

Your progressed by joining a non shitty guild and waiting for the guild above you to progress to the next content then race other guilds to see who would "own" the content.

ANd unlike POE it was still a completly fun game because you KNEW in time your guild would get its turn in a few months or a year.

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mezmery wrote:

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Nishrek wrote:

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mezmery wrote:

you are literal definition of hipster

Is it bad?

this type of person tends to complain about something like ranged attack totetem point blank elemental hit sucks or that lab is too hard. Or something else completely irrelevant to majority.

Hey, I've only made posts complaining about ranged attack totem, point blank, and elemental hit sucking eleven billion times for each gem. Eleven isn't that big of a number and I don't see how any reasonable person could consider that excessive.

Regarding issues less crucial to the survival of mankind as a species than these three gems, I realized after reading your earlier post that I didn't know what "hipster" meant. So, I looked it up, and briefly scratched my head. Then I switched back to finishing up my 50,000 word essay about the volcanic pokemon gymnastics gem, which I'm pretty sure GGG will put into POE after reading my well written essay.

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Fruz wrote:

They are apparently improving it in some aspect, and it should become better

Yes, I know, I wrote that in the post you were quoting...

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Zalhan2 wrote:

Everquest had spells and abilities (mana regen) gated behind uber once a week end game bosses one guild could get.

Seems to be similar to that Lineage that mezmery mentioned then, you get a few final tweaks for endgame by running an uber boss, ok, that's kinda legit. Maybe similar to uber lab, you get those two last points for your Berserker, what I had in mind is that there isn't a game I can think of that would require doing something like that to become a Berserker.

If we're talking about a stretch goal that motivates people towards banding together, I suppose it does the job. I prefer the deal we got here and the whole thing depending on my own ability, but then again, it's a different kind of game, MMOs sell the social aspect and PoE is but marginally multiplayer oriented.

Speaking of that ability thing, saw a post today about a dude asking for help with uber lab, got himself all nice and cosy with 200k dps but apparently dies to a sneeze from Izaro because of a somewhat badly rolled Abyssus. If he took off the helm he'd do it easily even with half the dps lost and that's a good lesson right there, if you can chain strands it doesn't mean your setup is good.

Speaking of what ability thing? Come on man. Don't try to trigger people.
The solution to the problem you are referring to btw, is not the lab but rather reducing player damage or nerfing the xp in lower level red maps. Lab isn't hard. Confirmed by yours truly.

And what is it with you guys always assuming that strand maps are all we run or want to run? From what i recollect it was you and fruz that had no idea of what's going on in the highest level master missions. So how about you lay off the strands and frequent something harder?

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Pyrokar wrote:

From what i recollect it was you and fruz that had no idea of what's going on in the highest level master missions.

What is that new fantasy ? Oo