SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Fruz wrote:

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Nishrek wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

Me neither, like the rest of the game, it follows that same principle : a carrot, on a stick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

Point missed, again.

Wow! I'm surprised to see you admit it.

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mezmery wrote:

i averaged 6-7 minutes per run in early legacy and average profit was somewhere between 20 and 30c per run depending on layout and goodies.
so say, 110c per hour is not an incentive to you? where do you do more in an interesting way?

and i dont mention points. Getting 40% more damage for free as last zerker acc is not worth 15 min of your time, but hours of shaped strand grind is?

You just missed the WHOLE point of my post. Congratulations.

I KNOW the lab is "rewarding" in terms of currency, points and whatever. My point, which you clearly didn't understand, was; No MATTER the carrot, no MATTER the "incentive", it will not make the actual CONTENT better. The lab is still unfun, boring, tedious and uninteresting even if Izaro gave you 5 Mirrors.

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Phrazz wrote:

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mezmery wrote:

i averaged 6-7 minutes per run in early legacy and average profit was somewhere between 20 and 30c per run depending on layout and goodies.
so say, 110c per hour is not an incentive to you? where do you do more in an interesting way?

and i dont mention points. Getting 40% more damage for free as last zerker acc is not worth 15 min of your time, but hours of shaped strand grind is?

You just missed the WHOLE point of my post. Congratulations.

I KNOW the lab is "rewarding" in terms of currency, points and whatever. My point, which you clearly didn't understand, was; No MATTER the carrot, no MATTER the "incentive", it will not make the actual CONTENT better. The lab is still unfun, boring, tedious and uninteresting even if Izaro gave you 5 Mirrors.

i never ever farm shaper, because i dont like it, and find uber much more thrilling, but i dont cry about it. And i can easily do it once for challenge.

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mezmery wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

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mezmery wrote:

i averaged 6-7 minutes per run in early legacy and average profit was somewhere between 20 and 30c per run depending on layout and goodies.
so say, 110c per hour is not an incentive to you? where do you do more in an interesting way?

and i dont mention points. Getting 40% more damage for free as last zerker acc is not worth 15 min of your time, but hours of shaped strand grind is?

You just missed the WHOLE point of my post. Congratulations.

I KNOW the lab is "rewarding" in terms of currency, points and whatever. My point, which you clearly didn't understand, was; No MATTER the carrot, no MATTER the "incentive", it will not make the actual CONTENT better. The lab is still unfun, boring, tedious and uninteresting even if Izaro gave you 5 Mirrors.

i never ever farm shaper, because i dont like it, but i dont cry about it

So, it's a really good thing that you don't mind lab then, as otherwise you would be missing out on a key source of a character's power and progression.

Also, it would really be unfortunate if character progression was gated behind Shaper, given that you don't like running Shaper.

Right?

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

Also, it would really be unfortunate if character progression was gated behind Shaper, given that you don't like running Shaper.

Right?

Sure, if we assume they are dumb enough to gate prestige classes behind an uber-endgame raid boss. That was done by nobody ever, at least as far as my memory serves, feel free to correct me.

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

ll unfun, boring, tedious and uninteresting even if Izaro gave you 5 Mirrors.

i never ever farm shaper, because i dont like it, but i dont cry about it[/quote]So, it's a really good thing that you don't mind lab then, as otherwise you would be missing out on a key source of a character's power and progression.

Also, it would really be unfortunate if character progression was gated behind Shaper, given that you don't like running Shaper.

Right?[/quote]
i wanted to wright large piece about work, rewards, sacrifice and priorities, but you doesnt seem mature enough to get concepts above rolling on the floor and crying out for a new toy.

so ill be short.
no pain, no gain.

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raics wrote:

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

Also, it would really be unfortunate if character progression was gated behind Shaper, given that you don't like running Shaper.

Right?

Sure, if we assume they are dumb enough to gate prestige classes behind an uber-endgame raid boss. That was done by nobody ever, at least as far as my memory serves, feel free to correct me.

hellfire amulet farm is quite annoying in d3.


I cant compare t13 diablo with shaper tho, but it's still annoying as hell. But i do that for power sake.

also it was done in lineage and afaik bdo

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mezmery wrote:

hellfire amulet farm is quite annoying in d3.

I cant compare t13 diablo with shaper tho, but it's still annoying as hell. But i do that for power sake.

Yeah, Shaper and his posse have some uber drops of their own, that's perfectly fine even if the item grants a skill. Something like Shaper dropping Whispering Ice would be ok in my book.

I'd have to check that Lineage thingy, never played it.

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mezmery wrote:

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i wanted to wright large piece about work, rewards, sacrifice and priorities, but you doesnt seem mature enough to get concepts above rolling on the floor and crying out for a new toy.

so ill be short.
no pain, no gain.

I think it's unfortunate that you equate "pain" and "gain" in gaming. But, if that's your approach to gaming then that's your call. It doesn't come across as particularly humble on your part, though, to imply that's the natural order of things or that somehow others should think the way you do.

I like games best when challenge and fun come together. If I find myself using the term "pain" when describing a game, then I change the way I play or I change the game I play.

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raics wrote:

I'd have to check that Lineage thingy, never played it.

elite progression(3rd specialization, sub-class(like you can relevel another class using you character and switch when you need some flexibility), noble status(allows to use elite teleports and participate in tournament, was absolute requirement to apply for competitive clans, as that teleports were nessesary for pvp) was gated behind top-tier content that was competed for by the top clans, so you were trampled just to make it safer, or farmed by dedicated farmers who had top clan support and defended it's spawn window fiercly.

It was days and weeks of waiting just for boss to spawn and no one cared it's 3am.

Guess what? no one cried for NCSOFT.