SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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goetzjam wrote:

You know what you never see from anyone complaining about the lab. Videos of their "easy" runs, videos of how they cheese or whatever bull shit they come up with. Because quite frankly they are just repeating what some other person said, most likely way out of context.

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goetzjam wrote:

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Is it that big of a deal to spend less then an hour per character (at least for subsequent characters) to unlock your classes potential? Even if you find the content less enjoyable its still effectively free power that given proper preparation can be pretty strait forward to get.


One of the real reasons why people dislike the lab is they know they can fuck up and die, unlike most cases in roll your face on keyboard and do shaped strands 1000 times.

For POE, my most enjoyable experiences were things like playing SSF hardcore in the invasion and beyond leagues, along with the multi-mod events (the "all league mods at once" time frame was particularly enjoyable, in one of the past multi-mod events). Playing SSF hardcore (unascended!) recently in the Mayhem event was also a blast, as another example.

My worst gaming experiences playing POE can be summed up in one word: Lab. My second worst gaming experiences have to do with reaching a point when mapping in which I needed to keep running lower level maps until they stopped being challenging, in an effort to build a better pool of higher tier maps that were challenging enough to be fun to play. I like choosing the difficulty at which I play a game, instead of having that dictated to me by RNG.

I'm far from alone in hating lab and wanting nothing whatsoever to do with it.

So can you explain the issues you specifically you have with the lab or is it just too far gone that your only response is i dont want to do it? Because GGG doesnt seem to be willing to, at least at the current state to give those points anywhere else or remove mechanics from the lab.


In terms of maps, the way to bypass that is buying maps off zana for chance orbs, making sure you check after dailies and when she levels up. Depending on the time you run into this issue you could also buy maps off other players.

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And well, you've proved too many times that you don't have a clue of what you are talking about too, so ...

He proved that a long time ago by complaining about content he didnt even put forth the effort to actually complete once.


You know what you never see from anyone complaining about the lab. Videos of their "easy" runs, videos of how they cheese or whatever bull shit they come up with. Because quite frankly they are just repeating what some other person said, most likely way out of context.


For example if I said the lab was easy today, did you know I was referring to the normal lab, as in layout or as in mechanics to deal with for izaro. Do you know if I swapped a few pieces of gear out to plan for the challenge or if I just went in with what i was wearing. You have no clue, but you will repeat it if it even seems like it might help your point.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

My suggestion is instead of paying a pc to do it, you pay a flunky npc and get to watch him do it, occasionally he will fall asleep from boredom for 5 minutes just to make it not be so short.

Five minutes is too easy.

You should be forced to watch him not move for 10 minutes, because that's more challenging. And it should be at random intervals, so you have to watch and can't go afk. We need to punish people who want to go afk while playing, and we shouldn't give out the points without a real challenge.

No one will find it boring, because as we all know people don't get bored by an activity unless it takes more than 10 minutes.

And no one will complain, because it's such a small part of your overall PoE experience.

Those who hate this idea obviously need to practice staring at non-moving NPCs more. Get better at it and then come back. And if you haven't done this already then you have no right to criticize the idea. You need to acquire expertise before you can pass judgment.

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Fruz wrote:

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I don't think that anybody said anything about "not being allowed to just dislike something" at all.
However, all those players crying rivers and insulting devs and players alike, about something that they clearly lack knowledge of, spending that much time here, just because they "dislike" it ? About a video game ?

There are people that just say that they dislike it, give their reason, and then either discuss a bit and/or leave after having given their feedback.
There are people raging, throwing tantrums, in obnoxious ways, that is different, likely for different reasons.



And no, the circle jerking here has been there from the start, with or without people pointing out all the flaws and silliness that has been thrown by the whiners.

And what is your purpose here ?
Haven't you said what you came here to say ? Or are you going to say that actual discussions (still) happen in this thread ? Because that's not what has been happening, for a very long time.
And it's not what you're doing now either.

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Phrazz wrote:

The thing is, some people debate out of emotions. They actually feel that this content has destroyed their favorite game.

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Phrazz wrote:

While you may think that GGG need YOU to speak for them, I don't think that is the case. I think they are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves .... So I'm very curious, why are you here? What is your endgame? Do you actually think [insert topic here] is a beautiful piece of content, without flaws, defending it? Or are you here based on principles, because someone actually disagreeing with your favorite developers?

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Fruz wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

You fellows must keep going off on this because the traps are plainly too tough for you. What I suggest that you do is to diligently practice the traps until they aren't so frightening to you. They are really very easy to the point of being boring.

Hahaha
The fact that you needed to react to this like that ( because you felt targeted by the previous statement, to point the obvious ) speaks volumes, by the way.


And well, you've proved too many times that you don't have a clue of what you are talking about too, so ...