SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Zalhan2 wrote:

WHo cares what something costs the game sucks for many of us in its current incarnation. Its not our job to fix it. It's not our job to manage someone else's budget. Just fix the damn thing.

Its like someone took a dump in your house and is trying to explain why he felt the need to do it. Clean the thing up. I want my living room back that you turned into a bathroom.

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raics wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

WHo cares what something costs the game sucks for many of us in its current incarnation. Its not our job to fix it. It's not our job to manage someone else's budget. Just fix the damn thing.

Our job isn't to badger them about something they can't fit in their budget or development plan either. We don't really have a job, we can play the game if we want to, we can buy something if we liked it and we can tell them what we liked about it or not and why, that about sums it up.

By terms of use we all agreed to, it isn't your house or your carpet, strictly speaking we aren't even renting it, a tenant has certain rights and obligations and we don't have either, that's how f2p games work.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

So movie critics should stop reviewing stuff? Newspapers should stop analyzing what the government does and how it affects us for good or bad?

In your world GGG would never ask what features we like. Your stance is well not useful to anyone to be honest.

It's like if you served poison for breakfast and when people pointed out the eggs are bad, you talk about how much effort went into making it and that you paid for it and we don't have to eat it.

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Fruz wrote:

What ? You guys are not just giving feedback, you are heavily insisting, insulting GGG and many other posters, as is GGG is your mom and dad and if your life was depending on it ...




This is why your analogy is completely meaningless, no one is serving you anything.
GGG produced a game, you are free to play, give your feedback, leave.
But you are not entitled to anything, literally.
You are the one insisting here, you are the one desperate.

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vio wrote:

well, that "amusement park analogy" triggers me:

- people who supported the amusement park are allowed to dress specially

- the management, instead of paying special attention to those supporters, goes elsewhere for getting opinions

- the more you support the park the more complicated it is to get on a ride or find your costumes

- you're not allowed to show your full support at once

- people coming to the park often and not supporting it get their costumes for free

i better stop here although i already uttered enough criticism to never get invited to alpha ever again.

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raics wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

So movie critics should stop reviewing stuff? Newspapers should stop analyzing what the government does and how it affects us for good or bad?

In your world GGG would never ask what features we like. Your stance is well not useful to anyone to be honest.

It's like if you served poison for breakfast and when people pointed out the eggs are bad, you talk about how much effort went into making it and that you paid for it and we don't have to eat it.

A movie critic is paid to do what he does and rotten eggs are objectively rotten, only Abe Sapien wouldn't have anything to say about those.

If you like analogies so much, what we got here is something like this: let's say someone opened a free amusement park, all rides are free and you can buy the souvenirs, drinks, food, vip status for faster queuing on some rides to help them operate.

So, you've been going there for a while, you like what they've got there so you've been buying some stuff to support them. Then, at some point, the management announces they've been investing in a brand new ride in the closed off section, it's a challenge ride and not for the faint of heart but riding it gives you a challenge medal, granting certain perks you can enjoy when visiting other rides.

Obviously, some of the people try out the new ride and don't like it, some even hate it for whatever reason, it's too scary, too uncomfortable or just not fun. Some of them stop coming to the park and some burn the collectibles they've bought over the years in protest, but most of them left their unfavorable impression in the official visitor notebook, as everyone is encouraged to do.

Among those, some kept coming to the park, either gritting it through the new ride for the perks or avoiding it altogether, but each day they visit the notebook without fail to leave the new comment for god knows which time, some would actually visit just for that. A few even tried compiling a notebook of their own, listing all the visitors with unfavorable comments as support to the initiative for rebuilding the new ride, replacing it with something else, giving out the challenge perks for free or granting a challenge medal for completing a normal ride. Then they would wave the notebook around in front of the management and other visitors, demanding attention and recognition of the problem despite the overall number of visits to the park increasing in the meantime.

There, that's the best I can do, there's no accurate real world equivalent of f2p games, there probably won't be until we can build theme parks with unlimited capacity. Still, it should still give you another perspective on the whole situation, maybe even a new appreciation for decent free to play games.

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raics wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Would you say that is true of the Labyrinth as well? That it is hated only by those who cannot do it, and liked just fine by those who can?

No bloody idea, honestly, I'm no mind reader and certainly no game designer.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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raics wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Would you say that is true of the Labyrinth as well? That it is hated only by those who cannot do it, and liked just fine by those who can?

No bloody idea, honestly, I'm no mind reader and certainly no game designer.

If that is the case, then I think it is reasonable to conclude you haven't been paying attention, given the sheer number of negatively critical posts which are prefaced with some variation of "I have no problem with the Lab's difficulty" or "I can finish it no problem."

Let alone the number of posts debunking the oft-used strawman argument that Lab criticism comes primarily (or only) from players who have yet to "git gud," and that such criticism has a(n implicitly dishonest) goal of making the Labyrinth easier, not making it better.

In short, Lab hatred is not there "by design," evidenced by how often it is directed at flaws which have little or nothing to do with the amount of skill required to complete the content. I find it impossible to believe that GGG anticipated, let alone planned for, either the depth or the breadth of the negative reception.