SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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sofocle10000 wrote:

Well I would consider giving GGG a bit more time, until 3.0 hits at least

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Emphasy wrote:

Well they did increase the damage of some mob skills (very noticable are the goatman fireballs), however the biggest change is the new map bosses. Trash mobs were always laughable and they would have to reduce power a lot to change that. I think going with more meaningful boss fights is a better choice anyway, however they do have to shift damage vs. sturdyness and rewards on some of them. But honestly if you compare Factory or Arcade to the old bosses they are far more intimidating. Of course some only slightly modified enemies are still pushovers, but exspecially some of the new additions are actually dangerous.

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The_Reporter wrote:

Of course there's a potential trap survival advantage by overleveling. Anyone saying otherwise is clueless.

Proportionately more life regen can be taken in the form of tree nodes (it's about percentage here - more %regen and less %health nodes), vitality aura can be leveled, end charges. It goes on and on.

Boring.

Yawn.

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goetzjam wrote:

So Chris sayeth and we just accepteth?

I mean my point was that they added the power, way before they "tried" to increase the challenge and I dont feel like AC is necessary to do the majority of the game....

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qwqwqw333_final wrote:

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sofocle10000 wrote:

Well I would consider giving GGG a bit more time, until 3.0 hits at least

That's my point of view exactly.
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But once again, the dudes posting before you had reached the "you are using a fake account" line of argument, which makes me explain once again that this is not a fake account, but the one I use to post in the forums... and I'm just too tired for today to keep this shit going...
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qwqwqw333_final wrote:

When you can do Lab and get the points at lvl 33 or 70, then the game balance is fucked, since you can get to the end game with or without the power those points give.

Lab is optional in this sense, but nobody would consider their build finished without the ASC points, even if they over level and come back when the content is trivial, because the real end game content, is tuned to the most hardcore audience.

Which is fine.

The problem is you fucked 80% of the game content balance, because you know you can't make Lab less optional than this, because then a lot more players that do the Lab at the last possible moment just to get the points, would start joining the haters.

So the result is the game balance is fucked and on the easier side.

If ASC points were properly added into the characters progression, then you could really tune the game difficulty up.

The problem is GGG can't sustain their "we love the lab" stand with the "but you don't really need to do it until you are more than over ready because we know you hate that shit", on a real game balance state that's not a joke.

So If you wanna take the "stop making the game so casual" stand, then commit to it and demand mandatory Lab as a requirement to progress to the next difficulty level. So you can actually know what power level you need to tune your game to.

And then let's see how many players are actually ok with having to do the Lab in order to get the ASC points without cheese. Or really want more real difficulty added to the game.

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The_Reporter wrote:

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Regulator wrote:

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qwqwqw333_final wrote:

When you can do Lab and get the points at lvl 33 or 70, then the game balance is fucked, since you can get to the end game with or without the power those points give.

Lab is optional in this sense, but nobody would consider their build finished without the ASC points, even if they over level and come back when the content is trivial, because the real end game content, is tuned to the most hardcore audience.

Which is fine.

The problem is you fucked 80% of the game content balance, because you know you can't make Lab less optional than this, because then a lot more players that do the Lab at the last possible moment just to get the points, would start joining the haters.

So the result is the game balance is fucked and on the easier side.

If ASC points were properly added into the characters progression, then you could really tune the game difficulty up.

The problem is GGG can't sustain their "we love the lab" stand with the "but you don't really need to do it until you are more than over ready because we know you hate that shit", on a real game balance state that's not a joke.

So If you wanna take the "stop making the game so casual" stand, then commit to it and demand mandatory Lab as a requirement to progress to the next difficulty level. So you can actually know what power level you need to tune your game to.

And then let's see how many players are actually ok with having to do the Lab in order to get the ASC points without cheese. Or really want more real difficulty added to the game.

I really liked this post and i had made a similar suggestion some months ago.

What if Lab was an whole act for example, a labyrinth related act. that upon completing it you would be granted the points. making it mandatory to progesses in the next difficulty would from the get go send the true message to everyone, be honest with your community you.. you like it : good , you dont : get the fuck out of here. and most people would have treat it that way too. But GGG masterfully disguised it as "optional" for the masses who eat grass to be happy. Besides the dishonesty and confusion there is a certain kind of broken design and ideas in all this.

Truthfully i would be so glad with a simple manifesto on the labyrinth, how the fuck was it concieved, designed, why that way, what made them force "optional alienating content", why why why.

I like the proposition here.

Do it, GGG or NO BALLS.