SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

@Regulator. Your last post is just a quality post showing your tenacity and heart. Anyone who wishes to disregard that better put in the time and effort to truely even try to make a dent in the logic, facts, and reasoning. IT cant be done.

@Regulator. I admire your efforts to keep the matter of the Lab not forgotten.

My lack of love for the Lab has been mostly voiced by not buying any Ascendancy support packs, but I suppose I should add a few words.

While I admire the visual and sound design of the Labyrinth, I cannot say the same for its main concept. Fast paced arpg received additional areas with trap gauntlets with overtuned damage that penetrated any defences, areas that featured Hardcore-like mechanic that disallowed waypoints and portaling out. You had to actively dodge those traps, hampered by imprecise controls, net lag/disconnections, game crashes and inability to see much due to visual clutter and darkness in many areas. An interesting concept indeed, but ill-fitting for the genre imho.
Was it a smart decision to introduce it to the game? Only time will tell, but its influence on the player base is undeniable.

I suppose separating Ascendancy points from Lab completion would help alleviate some frustration for many players, but my main point is that the damage has already been done and it's necessary for GGG to learn from the experience rather than sweep it under the rug as complaints from 'vocal minority'. I sure hope this has been their reaction to Lab-related threads instead of angry denial.

P.S.: Of course I'd adapted to running the Lab, no matter how much I dislike doing it it's still necessary for the end game and now even for certain Prophecies. It has become a necessary evil for me, a chore I have to complete to get to the fun part. Just don't alter the chore/fun ratio further please, GGG.

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Borgese wrote:

@Regulator. I admire your efforts to keep the matter of the Lab not forgotten.


P.S.: Of course I'd adapted to running the Lab, no matter how much I dislike doing it it's still necessary for the end game and now even for certain Prophecies. It has become a necessary evil for me, a chore I have to complete to get to the fun part. Just don't alter the chore/fun ratio further please, GGG.

@Regulator. Great job.

The lab prophecies are really easy to sell.

GGG aren't the only ones with their heads in the sand either. The forum WKs are the same way, because if they had to face facts and logic, they know they would lose any form of defense for [Removed by Support]

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Regulator wrote:

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So if a dev is telling you something that is different from your opinion and what your narrow view of the thing is, it has to be wrong, the guy has to be lying, there is no other explanation.
You have basically nothing to support your claim but the people complaining on this forum and some of your friends IG I guess, you have no idea of what is actually happening. and what the devs want about the lab ( I'll go over your numbers in a bit ).
But is has to be that the devs are all evil liars.

There could be many reasons why dev would not want to "sell" what they are doing before releasing it.

By the way, they did not "promise", please stop using wrong words to try to make it bigger to support your claim.
They said that they would show some other stats later ... at no point he is mentioning giving lab's stats later on.

Why would that not be okay for the lab ( til merc ) to be run mainly as a way to get the points ( because that is what it is ), maybe a bit farmed when the xp is still good and then transitions into maps ??? That's the first purpose of the damn thing !
I do enjoy some areas while going through the story, why don't I go back there more often ? It must be because those areas are actually shit and nobody likes them and they should be reworked I guess.

So no, the numbers you gave are not underwhelming.

Uber lab later on is gated by RNG ( and skill/gear since it's in higher level content ), it's the same system than maps, and it is much more difficult because Izaro is much stronger.
What is strange in having less people run it considering this ?
Nothing obviously.
If we extend your reasoning, ( and had actual stats ) we would end up concluding that only a very small fraction of the population runs red maps .... because those are terrible, definitely a huge failure by GGG, they have to rework it very soon ..... oh wait .... how long have lvl 80+ maps been there ?

Uber lab is a harder content, not everybody is supposed to go there and go through it easily, so obviously less people are running it.
Merc lab does not give correct xp past .. .let's say 80~85, so yeah people are going into maps ( because past some points people wants xp generally ).
The RNG about enchant being brutal, it's understandable if most people don't aim for those.

And since PoE now has a bigger playerbase because of how many carrots GGG have been introducing into the game, and the fact that the difficulty has been gradually decreasing, there are many relatively new players that probably do not like hard content ... and aim for easier ones.

So no, you try to justify your claim somehow by assuming that the lab should very largely ran to be a success, and you fail to understand what it is supposed to be.
GGG is fine with not everybody loving the lab, and with some people hating it.

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Turtledove wrote:

The lab prophecies are really easy to sell.

Of course, since people are running it :]

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Albinosaurus wrote:

GGG aren't the only ones with their heads in the sand either. The forum WKs are the same way, because if they had to face facts and logic, they know they would lose any form of defense for [Removed by Support]

Still not bringing anything constructive like ever.
You have been showing no fact, and a very poor logic so far, so forgive me if I consider that your opinion regarding those elements as absolutely no value.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

GGG aren't the only ones with their heads in the sand either. The forum WKs are the same way, because if they had to face facts and logic, they know they would lose any form of defense for [Removed by Support].

[Removed by Support] Because you do not like something, you feel you are entitled to label it as a stinking pile of shit. [Removed by Support]

You have been given an answer, accept it or go about your way. I have no problem with the fact that you do not like the game as it is. My issue is that you want everyone to bow down to your interpretation of what the game should be, or they are a white knight.

Why don't you just go play a game you like , and leave us to play the game we like?

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There are certain individuals that need to be ignored by others so this post isnt locked. I encourage all those ppl who know what I am talking about to follow this. We can still discuss with other ppl in the thread .

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Albinosaurus wrote:

GGG aren't the only ones with their heads in the sand either. The forum WKs are the same way, because if they had to face facts and logic, they know they would lose any form of defense [Removed by Support]

No Sir, the WKs aren't hiding their heads in the sand. We are just tired with this discussion of yours, where you constantly try to belittle everyone, because you don't like something, and others happen to like.

This is not discussion. It is a shitshow. And we had enough of your shit.

Continue on with that attitude and you are guaranteed to get nothing done/changed.

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Prebornfetus wrote:

There are certain individuals that need to be ignored by others so this post isnt locked. I encourage all those ppl who know what I am talking about to follow this. We can still discuss with other ppl in the thread .

By discuss you mean :
"- lab is shit
- we need to do something
- lab is killing the game
- *insert random dung beetle analogy*
- the game is dying people are living HC is dead it's all lab's fault
- *insert random frogger analogy*
- lab needs fixing
- *insert random trump analogy*
- rofl GGG using "vocal minority" and all those WKs begging in front of those evil GGG liars
- *insert random Dr Who or whatever else analogy*
- lab is so bad"

It used to be somewhat constructive, from only couple of posters, around the beginning of this thread.

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Fruz wrote:

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Prebornfetus wrote:

There are certain individuals that need to be ignored by others so this post isnt locked. I encourage all those ppl who know what I am talking about to follow this. We can still discuss with other ppl in the thread .

By discuss you mean :
"- lab is shit
- we need to do something
- lab is killing the game
- *insert random dung beetle analogy*
- the game is dying people are living HC is dead it's all lab's fault
- *insert random frogger analogy*
- lab needs fixing
- *insert random trump analogy*
- rofl GGG using "vocal minority" and all those WKs begging in front of those evil GGG liars
- *insert random Dr Who or whatever else analogy*
- lab is so bad"

It used to be somewhat constructive, from only couple of posters, around the beginning of this thread.

Lol, you make it look like the lab-haters are the only ones at fault that threads are derailing. I've seen plenty of pro-lab players who offended others and made illogical statements.