SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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gibbousmoon wrote:

I misunderstood then, and apologize.

But please be careful with "QQ" accusations. It's a shorthand method of dismissing anything someone has to say as childish crying, and as such is rarely useful in any discussion.

Instead, if a criticism has no merit, it's better to say so directly. And give a reason.

No problem.
Well maybe I ( and other forum users ) are getting kinda tired of some people bitching about the lab, because there have been many posts such, I guess it made my "QQ alert" easier to trigger, that's definitely possible.

And often, trying to keep discuss on some of those threads is kinda pointless.
But there are of course good criticism, however the "bashing war" that resulted of many lab post ended up being a trollfest, there would not be 200+ pages on the other thread that was originally good otherwise.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

Criticisms that have no merit, you say? Like the people who bash Lab haters and accuse them of all forms of ad hominem nonsense? There's I reason I put those trolls on my ignore list, Gib.

of course ....

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Fruz wrote:

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Prebornfetus wrote:

Fruz Cliff Notes version: Lab give much loot guyz....lab is only like 10% trap and 90% loot....lab is fine....u all need to agree with me cause I know much on loot and I like loot alot

You can keep ur lootfest. We dont want lab removed. Just remove the ascend from it. Try to understand this. Everyone wins.

You completely miss the point too, or you missed the context, either way you're not getting it.

Fruz how would removing asc points from lab affect the lootfest in lab u seem to have fallen in love with? We win and u can still lootfest. Whats the problem?

There is no problem. He's just arguing to argue.

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Prebornfetus wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

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Prebornfetus wrote:

Fruz Cliff Notes version: Lab give much loot guyz....lab is only like 10% trap and 90% loot....lab is fine....u all need to agree with me cause I know much on loot and I like loot alot

You can keep ur lootfest. We dont want lab removed. Just remove the ascend from it. Try to understand this. Everyone wins.

You completely miss the point too, or you missed the context, either way you're not getting it.

Fruz how would removing asc points from lab affect the lootfest in lab u seem to have fallen in love with? We win and u can still lootfest. Whats the problem?

It seems there are two groups of people left. Those QQ that quit and trolls. Either way I bet less than half the people left actually like playing the game.

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Prebornfetus wrote:

Fruz how would removing asc points from lab affect the lootfest in lab u seem to have fallen in love with? We win and u can still lootfest. Whats the problem?

You seem to link everything with loot, are you aware that loot is not the only thing that this game brings ?

In case you would not understand ( or are incapable of reading ), this was just an answer to somebody saying that the lab was not rewarding.

I've already said what my opinion was about why removing ascendancy points from the lab was good, not doing it again, if you have been blindly QQing without actually reading the content and missed it, then sucks to be you,

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Fruz wrote:

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Prebornfetus wrote:

Fruz how would removing asc points from lab affect the lootfest in lab u seem to have fallen in love with? We win and u can still lootfest. Whats the problem?

You seem to link everything with loot, are you aware that loot is not the only thing that this game brings ?

In case you would not understand ( or are incapable of reading ), this was just an answer to somebody saying that the lab was not rewarding.

I've already said what my opinion was about why removing ascendancy points from the lab was good, not doing it again, if you have been blindly QQing without actually reading the content and missed it, then sucks to be you,

Fruz logic 3.0 2016

He would rather type all this "I've already said what my opinion was about why removing ascendancy points from the lab was good, not doing it again, if you have been blindly QQing without actually reading the content and missed it, then sucks to be you,"

than to type "I dont support removing ascendancy from lab because..."

There are 212 pages in this. I missed it help me out or not and just type 5 times more words. Whatevs. Im done with you. No longer responding to you. Have a nice life bro.

No

You've been around for a long time on this thread, you were most likely "there" when I said it, and it was not just one time.

I am not going to waste my time spitting it out for you, if you would not have been only trolling + QQing, you would have seen it.

All of this did take like no time to type.

Typing a structured argument is another story, and I don't like repeting myself over and over, even though it did happen quite a bit on this thread.

They didn't say anything at the meet up, and if the outrage over the lab is actually as bad as people say, then you know the question was asked. It is just more evidence to me that they have not made a decision yet, or they don't feel the need to.

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Xtorma wrote:

They didn't say anything at the meet up, and if the outrage over the lab is actually as bad as people say, then you know the question was asked. It is just more evidence to me that they have not made a decision yet, or they don't feel the need to.

I get that feeling too, to be honest. And im really dissapointed on their ostrich policy, shows lack of respect and willingess to communicate with their fanbase, as well as weakness and cowardice with refusing to step up and shut this once and for all. Passively letting those affected to boil, really sad and dissapointing.

Anyway, the reason for this post is another very similar situation and how it was handled, and it directly relates to GGG ostrich policy, or lack of balls and marketing experience to put it in a different way.

Ill try to it as short as possible. So for those of you who dont know there is a card game called Hearthstone from Blizzard. Amongst other formats it also has the Arena format. In that you get to make a deck from the start, choosing/drafting one card out of the three options you have each round, this proccess last until you have 30cards in your deck. The cards have a rarity tier that dictates how often they will appear, with the common slot being the most easy to get each round. There are 9 classes currently with Priest being regarded almost universally as the worst class for the Arena format. So this expansion is aabout to come out and some days ago all the new cards were revealed. Have in mind that expansion cards get a bonus chance to appear in each round of drafting that stacks with the rarity tier of each card. So an expansion common class card has like 3-4 times more chances than other cards to appear as one of the three possible choices each round.

So one of those new cards named Purify, is for the Priest (worst arena class by stats) aka class card, its in the common rarity tier, and it comes with the expansion. The card is beyond bad even when compared to bad cards, causing a lot of famous streamers to harsly critizise Blizzard's choice of fucking Priests even more in arena than they are already are fucked. But it also caused thousands of players to express the same worries, that at least in Arena with the current system of card selection, they will FORCE the players to have a lot of times 1 less choice to draft from. The complaints reached a massive amount never seen before from blizzard for a card design.

What Blizzard did? No they didnt buried their head in the ground (like GGG did with the lab) but they came out and talked about the design process and their ideas on it (something that GGG refuses to this day to do, while it always has done for past content). They realised that its unfair and dumb design to FORCE players in arena to be hindered by less choices (on top of that being for the Priest class), and decided to ACT on it by completely removing the card as a selection option when drafting arena decks.

How that relates to lab issue though, some less able might ask. It relates to the policy and design the companies follow.

GGG on the one side, decided to completely ignore/not comment on anything lab related for months like the problem is not there, refusing to communicate honestly with their playerbase. Believing that their decision to FORCE content (thats rather alienating) to their playerbase and divide them into two camps is "ok for the game", and that the "vocal minority" are the only ones having an issue with it. Refusing in the meantime to take any action that would relieve some of all that heat with their ostrich mindset.

Blizzard on the other side, immediately communicated with their audience, understanding the issue and taking action, to correct the consequences their bad design (which they admit) had, aka removing the card from the draft selection in order for people not to be hindered by FORCED choices.

I really thought that this kind of difference in policies, decision making and action taking should have been examined and shared with other. In no way i believe Blizzard is a better company than GGG (i actually dislike blizzard for ruining so many games that i used to have fun with) but in that specific case they acted like adults, doing business as usual (fucking capitalism right?) but in the same time "caring" for their playerbase's complaints and giving answers/solutions.

While im getting hyped from the 2.4 content changes already, besides the alpha testing (if that happens this time) the chances that i continue playing PoE if things in the lab remain the same are abyssmal.

Anyway, sorry for interrupting the shitposts, continue as before. Regards.

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Regulator wrote:

causing a lot of famous streamers to harsly critizise Blizzard's choice of fucking Priests even more in arena than they are already are fucked. But it also caused thousands of players to express the same worries

I think that is where he big difference is, honestly.
( seems obvious but : if thousands of players are complaining, most likely many many more dislike it )