SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Turtledove wrote:

You're arguing that lore can be changed. That is what Regulator was also arguing. Lore is just an idea. The sunk cost into lore is primarily voice recordings. This is a relatively minor part of the production costs, way behind programming and graphic arts. It is relatively easy to change.

Lore is never just a voice, like seriously, you really seem to be of bad faith here.

They need ( like most things ) to design it with an idea that they like and fit their game, then comes the art that goes with it, the voices, and some programming, depending on what lore they are putting.

Maybe you don't like the lore in PoE, or you just don't care, but that is of no matter, Lore is an important part of PoE, and some players do enjoy it.

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Fruz wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

You're arguing that lore can be changed. That is what Regulator was also arguing. Lore is just an idea. The sunk cost into lore is primarily voice recordings. This is a relatively minor part of the production costs, way behind programming and graphic arts. It is relatively easy to change.

Lore is never just a voice, like seriously, you really seem to be of bad faith here.

They need ( like most things ) to design it with an idea that they like and fit their game, then comes the art that goes with it, the voices, and some programming, depending on what lore they are putting.

Maybe you don't like the lore in PoE, or you just don't care, but that is of no matter, Lore is an important part of PoE, and some players do enjoy it.

I didn't say lore is just a voice. I said, "The sunk cost into lore is primarily voice recordings."

Which is likely the exact opposite of what's actually what.
The voice might be the easiest / quickest thing to add there, np.

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goetzjam wrote:

Perandus is really the league that gave away free loot, that was with the introduction of the lab. Still prophecy is a pull back on those reigns and hopefully they won't give loot away so easily going forward again.

Well everything has been getting simplified for a long time ( not all of it is bad of course, far from that ), and pilling up very strong uniques everywhere with adding more and more looting features does not make the game more difficult.

How the nerfed all the pre-map bosses to the ground for example, is really a pity to me.

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Prebornfetus wrote:

@goatjam

If you are not appealing to the masses then ur product is eventually doomed to fail. POE has gotten away from its core and it going to suffer from player losses. Its already begun.

lol
PoE started getting away from its core when it started giving free loot and free power creep to everyone, way before lab.
Lab makes Wraeclast somewhat dangerous again, it's more like going back to its core.

Its not more dangerous. Its just a 30 minute boredom penalty on death and skews to a play style that many do not like. Any idiot can do the lab its a skewing of classes not a skill check.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

Its not more dangerous. Its just a 30 minute boredom penalty on death and skews to a play style that many do not like. Any idiot can do the lab its a skewing of classes not a skill check.

It also forces a play style people don't want to run on every character. It undermines the very basis of this game's appeal: build diversity. The ways it does this have been discussed in depth already, so I'm not going to repeat it right now, but the counter arguments are laughably weak.

And what is GGG doing about this?

@Goatjam

Whale doesnt really work for POE. Whales work for Vegas. There are only so many effects to buy and storage space needed. You cant buy xp bonuses, you cant buy special gear. Eventually the game will fall if u rely on whales. You need to appeal to the masses for long term health. This is why POE is in trouble. The game is turning off more players than its gaining. AT least I think so.

You say they have no way to win communicating plans for lab. That If they say no plans then we skewer them and if they say changes but not what we want we skewer them and if they say what we want then we move on to other areas that need change and skewer them. How about have a little faith in your community. How about communicate like u have done in the past. This would allow players to make informed decisions on how they want or if they should continue to play. If they come out and say no changes for the lab I would make a post saying thx for the good game for a number of years and they should rethink their long term strategy and then I would give stuff away and leave. Im not going to make 100 trash GGG threads. I got better things to do.

Autoattack analogy is simplified and extreme but its exactly what you are saying. Take a step back and realize how asinine it is to say ascending is optional. Therefore lab is fine because anything you could do before it you could do now so its optional. What else do you consider optional? Gems in sockets? Allocating passives? Hotkeys? Seriously man this argument is so invalid its pointless to even talk to u anymore. So I wont. [Removed by Support]

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Removed by support? That crossed the line really? k then

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Zalhan2 wrote:

Its not more dangerous. Its just a 30 minute boredom penalty on death and skews to a play style that many do not like. Any idiot can do the lab its a skewing of classes not a skill check.

The lab is not more gangerous than all the rest of the actually played HC content where people faceroll everything with 0 risk, OK.

More bad faith please ( but that will just be trolling I guess ).

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Albinosaurus wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

Its not more dangerous. Its just a 30 minute boredom penalty on death and skews to a play style that many do not like. Any idiot can do the lab its a skewing of classes not a skill check.

It also forces a play style people don't want to run on every character. It undermines the very basis of this game's appeal: build diversity. The ways it does this have been discussed in depth already, so I'm not going to repeat it right now, but the counter arguments are laughably weak.

No it doesn't, those weak nonsense arguments have been "debunked" already, and there was nothing that you or the other lab QQers could actually say against it, because you have nothing on this topic but "QQ", "QQ", "QQ" and "QQ".

Izaro could use some tuning I guess, but that's no what most people are complaining about here.

@Prebornfetus :
Chris has given his position in the podcast damnit, if there was more to it that GGG deemed useful to communicate, they would have done it, move on and check the anouncment page from timem to time, deal with it.

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Fruz wrote:

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Zalhan2 wrote:

Its not more dangerous. Its just a 30 minute boredom penalty on death and skews to a play style that many do not like. Any idiot can do the lab its a skewing of classes not a skill check.

The lab is not more gangerous than all the rest of the actually played HC content where people faceroll everything with 0 risk, OK.

More bad faith please ( but that will just be trolling I guess ).

Well, saying that Labyrinth is "hard" or "challenging" will not make it a fact. You find it hard or challenging and I do not. It is as subjective as saying "Lab sucks".

I said "somewhat dangerous again", and I maintain.

I have no problem with the merc lab, I almost breeze through it without needing any kind of cheese now, the fact is that there can be deadly moments if one is not careful enough ( and that's a fact, not depending on the character ).
Exactly what HC is supposed to be, deadly if not paying attention ( there are also other parameters of course ).