Donald Trump
" Like I said, the bible is the same crap. Thing is, Those books are not supposed to be interpreted. They are the word of god, you either follow them or you are not really a god believed to start with. There is also a problem once god tell directly : Quran (7:80-84) - "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)" 2. Leviticus 18:22: " Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." 3. Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them The Quran, chapter 4 (An-Nisa), verse 34: Men have authority over women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. You see there is nothing to interpret. Find me a way to interpret the word of the prophets/god not making them say anything else than what those words mean... If you change those words/interpret them to fit your better morality, why the fuck you believe in those books in the first place? just become a theist instead if you really believe in a monotheist god, no need to call yourself Muslim or christian then. You can twist and change the word of "god" to fit your better side, but "god" is perfect and I am not really getting how you need to interpret his words when they are that clear. Poe Pvp experience https://youtu.be/Z6eg3aB_V1g?t=302 Last edited by Head_Less#6633 on Dec 20, 2016, 9:56:13 AM
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" Hold up! I have to stop you here. The Abrahamic religions do this. You find a lot fewer descriptions of who you can rape, orders to carry out genocide, slavery apologia, and so on when you get to religions like Buddhism. Not all religions are equal, and saying things like "they all do this" is unfair to Jains, Buddhists, and so on. It's like when Republicans defend the evil acts their leaders carry out by falsely saying "all politicians do this." No, they don't. Some groups are uniquely awful. Islam as it's practiced today in some parts of the world, namely theocracies, is truly in a bad place. It's reminiscent of Christianity during the Dark Ages. It's only reasonable to recognize this and do what we can to fight against and fix that problem. The problem comes when a tremendous number of right wingers start painting all Muslims or even all brown people in general with that same brush. Moderate American Muslims are, for all practical purposes, the same as moderate American Christians. They believe some pretty wacky shit, but they mainly just pay lip service to a fanciful belief system that was passed down from their parents. We have extremist Christians here who do some pretty monstrous things. In addition to those who kill abortion doctors, the Phelps gang, and so on, those Trump supporters who planned to blow up Somali refugees right after the election were radical Christians, but you'll never find a Trumper saying we need to do something about "the Christian problem." And they're right on this. We don't need to deal with that problem any more than we need to deal with America's non-existent "Muslim problem." I don't think they'll be able to stop their irrational fears related to Muslims or brown people, though. This is a fight liberals will have to keep fighting alone. Now the fight's just going to be much more challenging than if our country hadn't been overtaken by an organization that puts monsters like Steve Bannon in the highest positions of power. Last edited by Jennik#1783 on Dec 20, 2016, 9:57:02 AM
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" They are by logic to be interpreted. And they are. Your statement (thanks for the quotes btw. it's a rare occasion that this thread uses facts instead of bias) is absolute. There is absolute religion out there, true. And it leads to nothing good. True again. But you in fact CAN call yourself a christian, muslim, jew or whatever, even if you are interpreting this books. The pope, imans, rabbis do it. They have to. Because we are living in 2016. And about 75-90% of every religious group gets this. So, you delivered an argument against all this "fuck muslims" shit: Those, whether they are jews, muslims, christians or jedi, who do NOT interpret the holy books, who don't adapt to modern times, are the problem. And this is (as you said) no muslim-exclusive problem. So what is the point? "Islam is wrong"? Nah. Islam, lived and followed absolute, is wrong. As is every other thing you do in your life, when you do it without reason and brains. And that is why some arguments here, like those from user diabloblablabla, are so terribly wrong. Not all people of one group can be evil. This is against all reason, against all odds. And therefore his statements are rascism, bullshit and dumb. The Sirus fight is a disgrace.
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" Sorry mate. What i meant: All ancient books have content that seems weird, cruel, backwards and what not to "us". Did not want to offend you. And true: Some books are more cruel than others. But that was not my point. My point is: Some here assume that islam is wrong because and when it follows the Quran absolutely. I say: When it follows an ancient book absolutely, it becomes worse, but that is a general problem (with abrahamic religions, if you want^^). Is Islam wrong because of the Quran? No. This book is as good or bad as any other ancient religious book followed by billions. So: Islam is not wrong or bad in general. That's bullshit. And that's what is said here. And i can't stand bullshit ;) The Sirus fight is a disgrace.
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" I agree with most of what you're saying, but you really need to stop generalizing holy books. The Quran and the Bible are full of all sorts of horrific acts and commandments. Many others, like the I Ching and books on Buddhism, are not. Some of these books are significantly worse than others. A person following every single word of the Bible literally will be one hell of a monster. You really can't say the same about religions that don't have holy books advocating even a single evil act. The strictest Jain who practices their religion in the most literal possible way will be a pretty awesome person. Last edited by Jennik#1783 on Dec 20, 2016, 12:23:45 PM
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Having a heart attack:
" I AGREE WITH JENNIK ABOUT SOMETHING. Censored. Last edited by kolyaboo#7295 on Dec 20, 2016, 12:49:11 PM
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The libs are no competition, folks. They're 100% over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxrsbjlRHrM (1 minute video, trigger warning: cringy as fuck) GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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" omg... not one of those again... white males are the monsters of the world!!! whAAAAAA. Seriously these thing are racist as fuck, imagine if a bunch of whites folks would do the same about blacks? On a personal note, here in Canada we have a HUGE amount of libs and this week I red something that really was shocking to me on facebook. A very good friend of mine said that " Glad to be back in Montréal, multiculturalism is awesome. Québec sucks it's full of whites" She's asian, and she realize how much a racist she is by saying that. And then came the answers of our common friends on her post. "whites people stinks" and other stuff like that. I do not let myself offended by such things normally, but when you read that coming from people you've been knowing for years, it does hurt. And I now realize that multiculturalism doesn't work at all. |
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" HEY MTV! stop cucking yourself. Poe Pvp experience
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" ROFLOL! MTV News: now a relic of the self-hating, sobbing, liberal, special-snowflake millennials who must purge their fabricated guilt by lashing out at their own skin color. That video has like 7k dislikes and 60-some likes? lol EDIT: referring to the original video here, now 10k dislikes, 80 likes. ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒░░░░░░░░░░░░░ cipher_nemo ░░░░░░░░░░░░░▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ Last edited by cipher_nemo#6436 on Dec 21, 2016, 8:23:51 AM
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