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soneka101 wrote:
Funny thing is that I've heard lots of people wishing for Trump to be impeached in the first 100 days, but part of me wishes that he gets to at least complete 4 years, so we know the result of going full right, the same way that I wished that republicans didn't obstruct Obama, so we could have known the results of going full Obama (I wouldn't say he is full-left, full-left sounds like anti-vaccine or Bernie bros stuff)
Full-left, you say?
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Posted byScrotieMcB#2697on Jan 28, 2017, 10:11:13 PM
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soneka101 wrote:
How many birds did that stone hit?
The country is extremely divided with each half hating each other, the terrorists will certainly use the muslim ban and the news that the army might bring back waterboarding as recruiting tool, and the east might get even more isolated from western culture...
I think that sometimes is not about what you do, but how you do it. Barack Obama left a vacuum on middle east and that was a huge mistake, but pulling american troops out of Iraq wasn't the mistake, the way he did it it was.
Now we have the muslim ban. You might wanna argue that is not really a muslim ban, but you really think that you will be able to convince the people from the middle east(or the world) otherwise? You might say that only terrorists will be waterboarded but with Guantanamo's reputation people will really believe you? And if I'm not wrong Trump said he would have Guantanamo full in his time of office.
And there is the shaky relationship between U.S. and the NATO allies, I've heard there was also a bill introduced recently to leave the UN...
And all that on the first 10 days... It's like this presidency is pressing all the buttons at once wtf...(not a compliment).
I know most of you here are Trump-people, and it seems that you guys trust him A LOT. It's fine, it's like a bet with YUGE stakes, if it will pay off or not nobody knows, but don't forget that saying: "Hope for the best, be ready for the worst"
It's not impossible that Trumps' way of doing things might bear fruit, but it's also not impossible that he might fuck up. If he does, I hope that people that are reading this are "men" enough to accept the result.
I'm sure that when Bush fucked up lots of people took a long time to believe it, let's not do the same.
Funny thing is that I've heard lots of people wishing for Trump to be impeached in the first 100 days, but part of me wishes that he gets to at least complete 4 years, so we know the result of going full right, the same way that I wished that republicans didn't obstruct Obama, so we could have known the results of going full Obama (I wouldn't say he is full-left, full-left sounds like anti-vaccine or Bernie bros stuff)
First of all its not a Muslim ban he didnt ban 90 other Muslim countries. Second the POTUS can ban anyone for any reason including all refugees. Show me where it says we must let in refugees? USA has had total immigration freezes in the past. Like FDR didnt allow any even from Europe.
4 yrs of Trump making America great dems will be even worse off than now. Controlling nothing now, less than nothing except thier shitty fake news outlets which are on life support from globalist billionaires who want cheap labor and divide and conquer. Cheap labor democrats.
Git R Dun! Last edited by Aim_Deep#3474 on Jan 28, 2017, 11:05:25 PM
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Posted byAim_Deep#3474on Jan 28, 2017, 10:50:24 PM
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Aim_Deep wrote:
First of all its not a Muslim ban he didnt ban 90 other Muslim countries. Second the POTUS can ban anyone for any reason including all refugees. Show me where it says we must let in refugees? USA has had total immigration freezes in the past. Like FDR didnt allow any even from Europe.
4 yrs of Trump making America great dems will be even worse off than now. Controlling nothing now, less than nothing except thier shitty fake news outlets which are on life support from globalist billionaires who want cheap labor and divide and conquer. Cheap labor democrats.
You didn't read what I wrote right? My point was that it doesn't matter if it is a muslim ban or not, common people from eastern countries(maybe even the rest of the world) will believe it is, and lots U.S. citizens that lean to the left already do. One example is the hashtag #muslimban that reached 2.3 millions of tweets.
That is the first impression of that executive order, and I believe lots of people won't hear anything else after that. The only problem is that there will be people ready to take advantage of that.
About your second point I don't recall saying that he couldn't ban muslim or refugees, The only thing I did was to question if he is doing in a smart way. He didn't even bother to ban a country that he has business in as to not give ammo to democrats, and all this commotion wouldn't even happen if the executive order didn't include people that have greencard. It was sloppy.
If he is going to do things it's better to do it the right way, or am I wrong?
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Posted bysoneka101#4659on Jan 29, 2017, 12:55:53 AM
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soneka101 wrote:
You didn't read what I wrote right? My point was that it doesn't matter if it is a muslim ban or not, common people from eastern countries(maybe even the rest of the world) will believe it is, and lots U.S. citizens that lean to the left already do. One example is the hashtag #muslimban that reached 2.3 millions of tweets.
That is the first impression of that executive order, and I believe lots of people won't hear anything else after that. The only problem is that there will be people ready to take advantage of that.
About your second point I don't recall saying that he couldn't ban muslim or refugees, The only thing I did was to question if he is doing in a smart way. He didn't even bother to ban a country that he has business in as to not give ammo to democrats, and all this commotion wouldn't even happen if the executive order didn't include people that have greencard. It was sloppy.
If he is going to do things it's better to do it the right way, or am I wrong?
It depends on whether one has confidence that green cards under the Obama administration were properly issued. I view the executive action as Trump's statement of no confidence in the security measures of US INS policy prior to Trump taking office. In that context, I don't see any fault in the visa suspension. Harsh, perhaps, but not sloppy.
The only thing I believe was sloppy is Trump's handling of the narrative. This is the type of thing where you want to explain what you're doing before you do it.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Jan 29, 2017, 1:08:38 AM
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Posted byScrotieMcB#2697on Jan 29, 2017, 1:06:06 AM
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soneka101 wrote:
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Aim_Deep wrote:
First of all its not a Muslim ban he didnt ban 90 other Muslim countries. Second the POTUS can ban anyone for any reason including all refugees. Show me where it says we must let in refugees? USA has had total immigration freezes in the past. Like FDR didnt allow any even from Europe.
4 yrs of Trump making America great dems will be even worse off than now. Controlling nothing now, less than nothing except thier shitty fake news outlets which are on life support from globalist billionaires who want cheap labor and divide and conquer. Cheap labor democrats.
You didn't read what I wrote right? My point was that it doesn't matter if it is a muslim ban or not, common people from eastern countries(maybe even the rest of the world) will believe it is, and lots U.S. citizens that lean to the left already do. One example is the hashtag #muslimban that reached 2.3 millions of tweets.
That is the first impression of that executive order, and I believe lots of people won't hear anything else after that. The only problem is that there will be people ready to take advantage of that.
About your second point I don't recall saying that he couldn't ban muslim or refugees, The only thing I did was to question if he is doing in a smart way. He didn't even bother to ban a country that he has business in as to not give ammo to democrats, and all this commotion wouldn't even happen if the executive order didn't include people that have greencard. It was sloppy.
If he is going to do things it's better to do it the right way, or am I wrong?
You dems live in same twitter bubble that thought DJT had no chance. i think that been proven a small sampling.
He is doing what real ppl elected him to do hence popularity rising. Most American question ANY immigrants when we have homeless ppl. Most American hate paying for economic refugees let alone potential security risks.
Git R Dun! Last edited by Aim_Deep#3474 on Jan 29, 2017, 1:16:12 AM
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Posted byAim_Deep#3474on Jan 29, 2017, 1:08:57 AM
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TheAnuhart wrote:
The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia, and the others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.
Saudi
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Egypt
Lebanon
That's funny.
Ofc. that's why I wrote taht Gulf theocracies should be put on the ban list too (actually first). But that is just wishful thinking and it won't happen. Saudi & Qatar are the biggest exporters of Salafi/wahhabi extremism which is the root cause for most of the islamic terrorism. But Gulf also exports oil and hosts US military installations.
The West is in an unholy alliance with those despot states and until oil runs out or becomes irrelevant, this won change.
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Posted bymorbo#1824on Jan 29, 2017, 3:27:19 AM
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soneka101 wrote:
the terrorists will certainly use the muslim ban and the news that the army might bring back waterboarding as recruiting tool, and the east might get even more isolated from western culture...
Islamic extremists don't need more excuses to hate the "infidel" West. Draw a cartoon of Mohhamad and they will try to kill you just fine. Whatever reasons Trump adds on top are irrelevant.
And the rest of the world can easily do without that East. Most of the islamic 3rd world has absolutely nothing to offer, except oil. No art, no inventions, no liberties, no science, no progress in any field, nothing, except regression into medieval fundamentalism.
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Why didn't Obama & "anti-torture democrats" close Guantanamo? They had 8 years of time.
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Posted bymorbo#1824on Jan 29, 2017, 3:40:07 AM
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TheAnuhart wrote:
The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia, and the others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.
Saudi
UAE
Egypt
Lebanon
That's funny.
Ofc. that's why I wrote taht Gulf theocracies should be put on the ban list too (actually first). But that is just wishful thinking and it won't happen. Saudi & Qatar are the biggest exporters of Salafi/wahhabi extremism which is the root cause for most of the islamic terrorism. But Gulf also exports oil and hosts US military installations.
The West is in an unholy alliance with those despot states and until oil runs out or becomes irrelevant, this won change.
The Donald should just say no immigrants period until we have full employment. U6 ofc. This would make sense to ppl having to look at beggars and whatnot. The fake news media and communist party (aka democrats) will always cry because their whole MO is destruction of capitalism and installing a slave cheap labor state with them at the top, but to normals what they say that wont matter.
I'm actually of the mind Trump is guaranteed 8 years by their crazy so far but he could cement it better.
Git R Dun! Last edited by Aim_Deep#3474 on Jan 29, 2017, 3:57:54 AM
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Posted byAim_Deep#3474on Jan 29, 2017, 3:56:29 AM
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The Democrats are amateurs. The real Marxist is Trump, who does his best to promote capitalism and thus speeds up the progress of history to the point where capitalism will collapse under its own weight :P
The real Marxist works to promote the current socioeconomic structure of society and trusts the inevitable laws of history to do their job!
Damn, that sounded like a slogan. Fuck.
You have to be realistic about these things.
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Posted byBars#2689on Jan 29, 2017, 4:00:34 AM
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Bars wrote:
The Democrats are amateurs. The real Marxist is Trump, who does his best to promote capitalism and thus speeds up the progress of history to the point where capitalism will collapse under its own weight :P
Decades ago, socialist Albert Einstein predicted how capitalism would collapse under its own weight and destroy democracy. To sum up his answer in two words: fake news. No really, he imagined powerful private interests gaining ever-increasing "control, directly or indirectly," over "the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights." ( Source)
Thing is, much like Hari Seldon couldn't predict the Mule, Marx et al couldn't predict the Internet. By taking the initiative, Al Gore saved us from fake news (such as "An Inconvenient Truth") and thus saved capitalism. The time of Marxist prophecy has came and went, with the prophecy unfulfilled: Clinton is not President. And there was wailing, gnashing of teeth, and retreating to spaces of safety.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Jan 29, 2017, 4:38:05 AM
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