Donald Trump

Same author( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Monbiot ), also a good article for those indoctrinated with competition and all the "win" stuff, which used to be our evolutionary emergency program and not everyday life.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/14/age-of-loneliness-killing-us

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Schmodderhengst wrote:
"We have destroyed the essence of humanity," says Mr. Monibot, "our connectedness."

Funny how I'm sharing this idea over a digital medium with someone whom I presume is from Europe. How strangely connected. It's just more cerebral and less intimate, which I guess is a problem for those whom Monibot defends: those who do not lead but need to be shown.

I don't like his refutation of Hobbes. Not that I'm thrilled with Hobbes, just that I think it borders on silly to go to either extreme. We're both individuals and social animals, and to view these things as opposing forces — as if time alone in contemplation or learning doesn't help with time spent with others, and vice versa — just seems unnecessarily petulant to me.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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Schmodderhengst wrote:
"We have destroyed the essence of humanity," says Mr. Monibot, "our connectedness."

Funny how I'm sharing this idea over a digital medium with someone whom I presume is from Europe. How strangely connected. It's just more cerebral and less intimate, which I guess is a problem for those whom Monibot defends: those who do not lead but need to be shown.

I don't like his refutation of Hobbes. Not that I'm thrilled with Hobbes, just that I think it borders on silly to go to either extreme. We're both individuals and social animals, and to view these things as opposing forces — as if time alone in contemplation or learning doesn't help with time spent with others, and vice versa — just seems unnecessarily petulant to me.


You notice the difference of "discussions" on the internet and discussions with people, that you´re face to face with ?

Sure I like to spend some time alone, no question, but the article is about an economic model/system and it´s results.

As I see it, the existing economic model in the U.S. is based on one extreme, some rich sociopaths used it and are still using it.

In many cases it´s a matter of time and opportunity, if you have "to be shown" or lead. From my experience you need to be shown something, before you can lead unless you´re a successful lucky liar.
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Jennik wrote:
Scrotes, do you honestly not comprehend how a black man not being allowed to live in a certain part of the city can negatively affect him? How not being able to accept a good job because he can't live within traveling distance can hurt? How not being able to get a good job in his area because the two people hiring won't hire a black man can lead to him suffering?
It's simple dude, libertarianism works on paper, therefore it works in real life.
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Schmodderhengst wrote:

Eventually voters might notice, they´re better off with left wing politics.


Everyone "knows" that too much sodium is bad for you, so what happens if they cut out ALL sodium? Well, once your body's blood sodium level drops by as little as 19% (from 140 to 115 mEq/L)you will start suffering neurological problems from cerebral edema, and as the sodium level drops further your brain cells will continue to get flooded and as your brain swells up you will go into a coma and die.

There is a necessary balance in most things, and too much leftism is no better than too much rightism. The world has been suffering from too much of the leftist policies, and voters are looking for a re-balancing. Because of the way the political parties steadfastly refuse to budge or compromise, any shift in position by the public is going to have a lot of momentum. People trying to read more into it than that, aren't very good observers of human nature. The same kinds of reactions and over-reactions occur on a regular basis throughout human life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wntX-a3jSY

If Trump's administration is overly restrictive, than same reaction will occur as the public shifts in the other direction.

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Schmodderhengst wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38344175

(David Remnick: Why Trump’s win is ‘an American tragedy’)


After reading that article, every time Remnick asserted that he "gets it" the more I was convinced that he doesn't get it at all. For every example where he suggest there is a legitimate complaint leading to the sentiment that elected Trump, he simply says he thinks the reaction is wrong and doesn't once explain why their choice of Trump is wrong in context of what he "gets".

Part of this - might - be the interviewer leading in a new direction rather than letting Remnick expound his position completely, but judging from a few other interviews it seems that restating his own opinion without underlying rationale is SOP for him.

What's odd is that his voice and face show a fair amount of emotion, but his writing feels more like flat affect - like a nexus 6 simulating emotions from a pre-programmed matrix. I'd peg Remnick somewhere between Leon Kowalski's deterministic emotional response and Roy Batty's megalomania.
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Schmodderhengst wrote:
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MrSmiley21 wrote:
you're attempting to condition people to think and look at the world a specific way. And that will never work on everyone.


Actually it does. At least an unethical minority manipulates too many people. Unfortunately. You probably haven´t taken a look at this link:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot


As a background primer on the history of the terminology, this is a good article. The logic used within does a lot of unsupported stretching and conflating of things that look and feel similar (because of financial and political pressures) but are not actually related. It's akin to convergent evolution, where the results may be similar, but the background is not.

As for unethical - the individualistic approach is very similar to evolution. Scientifically speaking, evolution has not motives - no ethos, it just is. It is still with us because it has proven to be the most successful method of adaptation for billions of years. Are you advocating that human wisdom has reached a point where we can cast evolution aside and that our decisions are better than the ones nature will make?

Is that what climate change is telling us?
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MrSmiley21 wrote:
I noticed a vast majority of the social conditioning is empathy reliant. Not everyone is going to connect with that sort of approach.
Most people will, their brains are wired that way, both from an evolutionary standpoint (when you look at more primitive brain structures) and from an informational standpoint - the part of your brain that determines whether you learn something - the hypothalamus - is the center of your emotional response. Emotions are much older and more basic to survival than thinking is. Humans have learned and adapted to act in spite of emotions, but with exceptions for neurological imbalances, humans don't really live without emotions.

People's response to the smell of freshly baked cookies, the soft fuzzy feel of a tiny kitten, and the warmth of a hug have far more to do with how we look at things logically, than we realize. When someone is reading one of the posts in this thread, imagine how many logical processes might be involved with the few hundred words of this post for instance. Dozens? Tens of dozens?

Now consider that on average your brain is processing a trillion plus pieces of information a second. The most important job your brain has is determining what is important and what is just noise. Does your toe tickle a bit from a wrinkled sock? Is Trump going turn the presidency into a dictatorship? Or is SOMETHING ON FIRE IN THE KITCHEN?

What logic and conditioning do is allow us to preformat our emotional response, so we end up with "bah -something is on fire in the kitchen again." because we know it's actually just the smell of burnt toast.
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Schmodderhengst wrote:

Just like the German xenophobic ultra right wing party AfD


This made me laugh out loud irl. The AfD is what the CDU was twenty years ago. Calling them ultra right wing is laughable. They would be a centre or centre-right party in pretty much every other country in the world, only in Germanistan they are considered right or even far-right.
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Jennik wrote:
I honestly don't know how to respond to what you're saying here. The utter lack of empathy or willingness to learn about what people actually went through and how they suffered prior to the civil rights movement is concerning. Please, and I really mean this, look into what's going on with that. It's not a sign of anything good.

And, yet again since you keep ignoring it, what are you getting in exchange for all of these minorities suffering that remotely justifies their suffering? What benefit comes remotely close to justifying that cost, which, I again remind you, you are forcing other people to pay.

...and continues with two paragraphs after stating that in bold.

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Xavderion wrote:
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Schmodderhengst wrote:

Just like the German xenophobic ultra right wing party AfD


This made me laugh out loud irl. The AfD is what the CDU was twenty years ago. Calling them ultra right wing is laughable. They would be a centre or centre-right party in pretty much every other country in the world, only in Germanistan they are considered right or even far-right.

Indeed. European right-wing political parties are generally around the center of the aisle when compared with American politics.
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