General Discussion - Code of Conduct and Valued Posters - Forum

" Tom_GGG wrote: Hi nait2k4! I certainly agree it would have been nice to underline this change! Unfortunately, this thread was requested to be removed by the links original poster. I hope this helps to clarify that no fault was on your behalf, or other posters involved. Hopefully a better example will surface in the future :) Please correct me if I have this wrong: A thread was posted in the Path of Exile sub Reddit that related to the official forum. The lead developer from Grinding Gear Games made a post in that thread that referenced the official forum. A poster on this, the official forum, linked to that thread. The original poster of the thread on Reddit asked for the link to be removed. The link was removed. Do I have this correct? ............ PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910	Posted by DalaiLama#6738 on Oct 21, 2015, 10:08:46 AM Quote this Post
Spoiler " Ferrocet wrote: " Support wrote: Our overall goal is to make the Path of Exile forums the best resource for game information. In this thread: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1401804 You say: " Chris wrote: Why was this behaviour not clearly documented? A large part of crafting and trading in Path of Exile is access to information. The value of items relative to the current metagame is constantly shifting. [...] There are secret recipes - one that generates a Regal Orb was only added to the wiki today, despite being in the game for years and also known by many people. Actually, you keep information secret, and let players try and guess. If it takes 5 years for the information to be written down and made accessible in public by third party, IMO this is not "making the forum the best resource for game information". Actually if you, as developers, keep such things secret, players who discover the information will likely keep it secret again, for two reasons: - Fear: fear of being punished for unveiling secret information - Power: The wish to be more powerful/sucessful than other players, and keeping the knowledge secret is the way to establish/keep this advantage. For "making the forum the best source of information", you'd need to establish something like the Arreat Summit of Diablo II, where a Blizzard worker collected and published all the information. He likely also had sources that were not open to players, e.g. his collegaues who were working on the game, and design documents which were not released to the public. Your "code of conduct" for the forum is the right thing, IMO, but the idea to keep game mechanic information secret, well I think it's wrong. As a new player, I'm looking for information often, and I must say, neither the forum nor the wiki are good sources - too much stays unexplained and must be found by experimenting in the game. So to make the forum "the best source of information", you need to change more than only the code of conduct, you also need to change your policy of publishing game relevant information. So typical of GGG at this point.. Why make something properly when your community can half ass it for you.. sad. Wiki, Trading System, Loot filters and on and on we go. Now they want US to make their site the "best" resource.. bahahah get with it guys. E: Forgot about asking their community to translate their game into a dozen languages too.. Spoiler LOL. Don't forget to drink your milk 👌 Last edited by TheWretch#7848 on Oct 21, 2015, 5:06:37 PM	Posted by TheWretch#7848 on Oct 21, 2015, 5:05:13 PM Quote this Post
" DalaiLama wrote: " Tom_GGG wrote: Hi nait2k4! I certainly agree it would have been nice to underline this change! Unfortunately, this thread was requested to be removed by the links original poster. I hope this helps to clarify that no fault was on your behalf, or other posters involved. Hopefully a better example will surface in the future :) Please correct me if I have this wrong: A thread was posted in the Path of Exile sub Reddit that related to the official forum. The lead developer from Grinding Gear Games made a post in that thread that referenced the official forum. A poster on this, the official forum, linked to that thread. The original poster of the thread on Reddit asked for the link to be removed. The link was removed. Do I have this correct? ............ Nah dude, H4xoltl (SP?) who created the POE Forums Thread linking to the Reddit Thread requested that the POE Forums Thread be deleted. Not sure why. == Officially Retired 27/02/2019 == Massive thanks to GGG for producing such a fun and engaging game, it has taken up faaaaaaar too much of my life over the last 5 years. Best of luck in the future!	Posted by CaptainWaffleIron#2395 on Oct 21, 2015, 5:53:53 PM Quote this Post
" nait2k4 wrote: Nah dude, H4xoltl (SP?) who created the POE Forums Thread linking to the Reddit Thread requested that the POE Forums Thread be deleted. Not sure why. I don't like this. The thread had developed discussions. Who is to say the OP is in charge of what is discussed in his thread? Should we really delete an entire thread because the OP does not want his post there anymore? Everyones voiced opinion gone because one person says so?	Posted by Real_Wolf#6784 on Oct 21, 2015, 6:39:57 PM Quote this Post
" Bars wrote: " Lyralei wrote: " pneuma wrote: Most VP's knowledge is remembering quotes from patch notes and Mark_GGG anyway. Nooo >_< Some people actually test stuff! hey your map resource made my day back when I started playing seriously, by the way <3 Lyralei should be a valued poster. Hell, anyone that has written quality guides should be considered. Add a Forsaken Masters questline https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2297942	Posted by NeroNoah#1010 on Oct 21, 2015, 8:05:28 PM Quote this Post
" nait2k4 wrote: Nah dude, H4xoltl (SP?) who created the POE Forums Thread linking to the Reddit Thread requested that the POE Forums Thread be deleted. Not sure why. Thanks!- I hadn't seen the original thread and was confused about what had been deleted. PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910	Posted by DalaiLama#6738 on Oct 21, 2015, 10:15:13 PM Quote this Post
counter-intuitive stuff here. people leave the forums and go to reddit because they don't like the posters in here, so you now make the same posters, valued. you should make reddit posters the first valued posters and then transition into making PoE forum posters valued with them(reddit'ers) supervising the transition. at the very least, it would be good for PR. Last edited by kreca73#1653 on Oct 22, 2015, 2:35:02 AM	Posted by kreca73#1653 on Oct 22, 2015, 2:33:59 AM Quote this Post
" kreca73 wrote: counter-intuitive stuff here. people leave the forums and go to reddit because they don't like the posters in here, so you now make the same posters, valued. you should make reddit posters the first valued posters and then transition into making PoE forum posters valued with them(reddit'ers) supervising the transition. at the very least, it would be good for PR. 1. How do you know who will be made a VP? Why don't you at least wait and see? I'm pretty sure it will be motly players active in the gameplay discussion and builds sections. Chris said they want to turn the forum into a better source of ingame information. It stands to reason they will encourage players who provide it. About the second part of your post: - making posters here VP based on their achievements from another forum is absurd - giving reddit posters powers over this forum is even more absurd - suggesting this would be good for PR is above and beyond I hope you were not being serious. You have to be realistic about these things. Logen Ninefingers	Posted by Bars#2689 on Oct 22, 2015, 3:09:12 AM Quote this Post
" kreca73 wrote: counter-intuitive stuff here. people leave the forums and go to reddit because they don't like the posters in here, so you now make the same posters, valued. you should make reddit posters the first valued posters and then transition into making PoE forum posters valued with them(reddit'ers) supervising the transition. at the very least, it would be good for PR. I aggressively disagree and further more would happily downvote the idea that non official forum posters should even be considered as a VP for the official forums,if a vote function existed here. I find the idea of reddit'ers being "supervisors" disturbing to say the least.Zero familiarity,zero interaction,zero respect = zero interest on my part ... just some stranger with a title And that's a fucktonne longer reply than you'd get from me and likely many others with a vote system and entitled VPs swagging their bling about. If GGG want a vote system then fine,if GGG want a VP system then fine,but it's not fine to pull from an outside salty source and expect anyone here will respect or comply with the chosen VPs or moderation on the matter and likely make recent forum issues worse. Last edited by Temper#7820 on Oct 22, 2015, 8:20:20 AM	Posted by Temper#7820 on Oct 22, 2015, 3:44:12 AM Quote this Post
" Bars wrote: " kreca73 wrote: counter-intuitive stuff here. people leave the forums and go to reddit because they don't like the posters in here, so you now make the same posters, valued. you should make reddit posters the first valued posters and then transition into making PoE forum posters valued with them(reddit'ers) supervising the transition. at the very least, it would be good for PR. 1. How do you know who will be made a VP? Why don't you at least wait and see? I'm pretty sure it will be motly players active in the gameplay discussion and builds sections. Chris said they want to turn the forum into a better source of ingame information. It stands to reason they will encourage players who provide it. About the second part of your post: - making posters here VP based on their achievements from another forum is absurd - giving reddit posters powers over this forum is even more absurd - suggesting this would be good for PR is above and beyond I hope you were not being serious. your post is a perfect example of why people move to reddit. - it doesn't matter whom, from this forums, will be made VP. your task is to change the overall perception of people and you can't do that with faith. what you're asking there is for people to have faith in the new VPs just because good things might come and because there are some good people here too. that will not happen or it'll take to long; as long as it takes for redditers to build some trust in the new VPs. - you don't make them based on achievements on reddit. there are people with achievements here that moved to reddit because ... cesspool, or use initially overall good/trusted redditers just because PR. - Chris overall goal/idea is to have them redditers come back/flock here after the forums will be revamped. you'll not have redditers with powers here, you'll have ex-redditers turned into PoEforumers or redditers that would train current PoEforumers and then hand over the reins. - anything that makes official forums grow in the eyes of redditers is good PR(it sounds somewhat stupid but that's what it came to because ... people) Edit: an as a random example - if you have 50 people reading the official forums and 1000 reading the reddit official forums, then in this matter, there shouldn't even be 2 shits given about people reading the official forums. #harshrealities. Last edited by kreca73#1653 on Oct 22, 2015, 4:01:48 AM	Posted by kreca73#1653 on Oct 22, 2015, 3:46:50 AM Quote this Post