Code of Conduct and Valued Posters

Obviously you can't just spam a persons trading thread with nonsense and no evidence if you just had a disagreement over some item but what's the point of feedback if it can't be negative.
Most of the time when someone is called out on reddit there's plenty of screenshots to follow. Should be the same here. Leaving feedback warning others in a sellers thread with some kind of proof should not be removed.

For all those hating on name and shame (since that's what this topic is about now I guess), what exactly do you do when someone posts a shopped conversation making you out to be a scammer in your trade thread? Or claims that you stole an item in a vouch thread?

The ideal would be to have real proof directly from GGG servers (and tied into the forum via special integration) that an item changed hands from account X to account Y at timestamp T, or verifiable chat logs. Anything shorter than that is pretty worthless, and any non-automated way to do that via getting GGG staff to look into it doesn't scale to the number of players.

I don't particularly care if GGG blanket bans or blanket allows reputation discussion, but most of the criticisms of name&shame seem exceptionally one-sided.

Separately, a bigger issue seems to be the feeling that mass-reporting an account for scammy behaviour never seems to amount to anything. I can understand not wanting to investigate every complaint, but surely investigating the big/common complaints would pay dividends.

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AFAICT, what people really want out of the VP program is just trusted information or a knowledge base. I can't imagine it being any more useful than that for a wiki as long as GGG continues to not want to run a wiki themselves, let alone being searchable.

Most VP's knowledge is remembering quotes from patch notes and Mark_GGG anyway.

This idea seems to have potential.

It's hilarious to see who's the most against this. There's a certain, shall we say style, to those folks.

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pneuma wrote:

AFAICT, what people really want out of the VP program is just trusted information or a knowledge base.

On the way home from work, I was thinking that on some of the non game forums I may visit, but not frequent, the the confidence level of the accuracy of the information is the most important thing. The players that frequently post correct answers that others can rely on (and sometimes the Devs confirm themselves) would get a vote from me towards VP.

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pneuma wrote:

AFAICT, what people really want out of the VP program is just trusted information or a knowledge base. I can't imagine it being any more useful than that for a wiki as long as GGG continues to not want to run a wiki themselves, let alone being searchable.

Most VP's knowledge is remembering quotes from patch notes and Mark_GGG anyway.

Look at Blizzards MVPs. Some D3 MVPs were real jerks in other Blizzgames so over 1000 people wanted their MVP titles being removed.

False positive bans, accussed innocents of wintrading and so on.

And don't believe Mark or Patch notes are allmighty. There are things that shouldn't work that way but still work but don't get fixed because they aren't popular.

Or better said. If GGG introduces a gem called Spell Splash it will be a high priority fix because the things I think of are single target spells.

I'm sorry, this is a dumb question. I hardly ever trade. But, what do you guys mean by scammers and people who steal items. Like, how does that work? Do they overcharge for items when trading? Do they steal stuff from the guild stash? Do they steal items from maps? Just curious. Thank you.

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pneuma wrote:

Most VP's knowledge is remembering quotes from patch notes and Mark_GGG anyway.

Nooo >_<

Some people actually test stuff!

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Lyralei wrote:

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pneuma wrote:

Most VP's knowledge is remembering quotes from patch notes and Mark_GGG anyway.

Nooo >_<

Some people actually test stuff!

hey

your map resource made my day back when I started playing seriously, by the way

<3

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Support wrote:

Our overall goal is to make the Path of Exile forums the best resource for game information.

In this thread: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1401804

You say:

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Chris wrote:

Why was this behaviour not clearly documented?

A large part of crafting and trading in Path of Exile is access to information. The value of items relative to the current metagame is constantly shifting. [...] There are secret recipes - one that generates a Regal Orb was only added to the wiki today, despite being in the game for years and also known by many people.

Actually, you keep information secret, and let players try and guess. If it takes 5 years for the information to be written down and made accessible in public by third party, IMO this is not "making the forum the best resource for game information".

Actually if you, as developers, keep such things secret, players who discover the information will likely keep it secret again, for two reasons:

- Fear: fear of being punished for unveiling secret information
- Power: The wish to be more powerful/sucessful than other players, and keeping the knowledge secret is the way to establish/keep this advantage.

For "making the forum the best source of information", you'd need to establish something like the Arreat Summit of Diablo II, where a Blizzard worker collected and published all the information. He likely also had sources that were not open to players, e.g. his collegaues who were working on the game, and design documents which were not released to the public.

Your "code of conduct" for the forum is the right thing, IMO, but the idea to keep game mechanic information secret, well I think it's wrong.

As a new player, I'm looking for information often, and I must say, neither the forum nor the wiki are good sources - too much stays unexplained and must be found by experimenting in the game.

So to make the forum "the best source of information", you need to change more than only the code of conduct, you also need to change your policy of publishing game relevant information.