MoreRain: Life&ES CoC Discharge [2.2]

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MatrixFactor wrote:

I actually don't think that ignores resistance passive is useful to us (unless it means it doesn't ignore negative resistances):

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MatrixFactor wrote:

Yeah this passive definitely not OP. Consider atziri who has 40 allres and 60 curseres.

1) Passive + 70% CC = 0.7*0.3 + 0.7 = 0.91 multiplier.

2) Elemental equilibrium proc'd 80% of the time = 0.35*0.2+1.1*0.8 = 0.95 multiplier.

Add in curses and the EE variant is just better.

Useful for builds that don't use EE though.

I haven't thought about 2.2 much because I'm hoping they'll nerf this build significantly in 2.1. :)

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PoE17 wrote:

On another topic, regarding Ele Equilib, is fire damage on gear really needed?
Not a brain on this topic but i originally thought of it like this, like you had updated in OP (just repeating to reference it here):
Case 1
1. Cyclone gives +fire, -cold, - lightning to monster it hits (sets up ice nova)
2. ice nova hits while monster has -cold, - lightning, then gives the monster +cold, -fire, -lightning (sets up discharge).
3. discharge hits giving monster +fire, +lightning, -cold.
4. cyclone hits and gives +fire, -cold, -lightning (process loops).
Case 2
So the above is what happens when cyclone hits a target, other aoe monsters that dont come within cyclone range would get:
1. ice nova hits (with no EE buff) and gives +cold, -fire, -lightning (sets up discharge)
2. discharge hits with EE buff and gives -cold, +fire, +lightning (sets up ice nova)
3. ice nova hits with EE buff and sets up discharge and process loops.

So other than the first hit Nova and discharge would still get EE benefits.
So if we didn't have fire on gear Case two would always still be the same as case 1, other than the first hit, so it seems the fire damage only benefits the first hit.

So do we really need fire damage on gear or am i missing something in the EE loop?

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MatrixFactor wrote:

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PoE17 wrote:

On another topic, regarding Ele Equilib, is fire damage on gear really needed?
Not a brain on this topic but i originally thought of it like this, like you had updated in OP (just repeating to reference it here):
Case 1
1. Cyclone gives +fire, -cold, - lightning to monster it hits (sets up ice nova)
2. ice nova hits while monster has -cold, - lightning, then gives the monster +cold, -fire, -lightning (sets up discharge).
3. discharge hits giving monster +fire, +lightning, -cold.
4. cyclone hits and gives +fire, -cold, -lightning (process loops).
Case 2
So the above is what happens when cyclone hits a target, other aoe monsters that dont come within cyclone range would get:
1. ice nova hits (with no EE buff) and gives +cold, -fire, -lightning (sets up discharge)
2. discharge hits with EE buff and gives -cold, +fire, +lightning (sets up ice nova)
3. ice nova hits with EE buff and sets up discharge and process loops.

So other than the first hit Nova and discharge would still get EE benefits.
So if we didn't have fire on gear Case two would always still be the same as case 1, other than the first hit, so it seems the fire damage only benefits the first hit.

So do we really need fire damage on gear or am i missing something in the EE loop?

Back in the case when I was using cold damage the issue was that ice nova could fail to CoC (30% chance). Here it can still fail to proc, in which case having cyclone set the to +fire -light instead of +fire +light gives a slight boost to damage.