MoreRain: Life&ES CoC Discharge [2.2]

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m_flower wrote:

Is "maligaro gloves" better than atziri acuity for this build ?

Yes, it gives you about 35% more leech/sec.

Hi! Loving your build so far :) I used to play DonaldF's CoC Cyclon+EK build but that was nerfed and abandoned.

I'm really new to PoE, so here are my questions:
- When you talk about the dagger, how important is to have added x, y z damage? Or is not, and it was an example on what to aim to when crafting? I though maybe it has something to do with discharge resis agains 1 element and weak to the others. Please clarify.
- On the opening post there are many skills trees, not sure which one are you at now. I'm guessing you are using L100 tree?
- Not sure about which jewels are you using. Can you recommend some useful bonus for them?

Thks in advance!

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Black_Magik wrote:

Hi! Loving your build so far :) I used to play DonaldF's CoC Cyclon+EK build but that was nerfed and abandoned.

I'm really new to PoE, so here are my questions:
- When you talk about the dagger, how important is to have added x, y z damage? Or is not, and it was an example on what to aim to when crafting? I though maybe it has something to do with discharge resis agains 1 element and weak to the others. Please clarify.
- On the opening post there are many skills trees, not sure which one are you at now. I'm guessing you are using L100 tree?
- Not sure about which jewels are you using. Can you recommend some useful bonus for them?

Thks in advance!

Added damage is needed for EE. If you don't get it on dagger you can get it on a ring.

Yes I use the L100 tree, but the L91 tree is also good if you're starting as a witch. There are other trees for scion, templar, and shadow starts, but they are very similar to the witch one.

Jewels are linked in the tree section.

Just wanted to say sweet build and guide mate, blasting away with 6.8k ES and 3.6k life.
Feel like i don't need discipline but nothing else really to run.

Apparel:

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MatrixFactor wrote:

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Black_Magik wrote:

Hi! Loving your build so far :) I used to play DonaldF's CoC Cyclon+EK build but that was nerfed and abandoned.

I'm really new to PoE, so here are my questions:
- When you talk about the dagger, how important is to have added x, y z damage? Or is not, and it was an example on what to aim to when crafting? I though maybe it has something to do with discharge resis agains 1 element and weak to the others. Please clarify.
- On the opening post there are many skills trees, not sure which one are you at now. I'm guessing you are using L100 tree?
- Not sure about which jewels are you using. Can you recommend some useful bonus for them?

Thks in advance!

Added damage is needed for EE. If you don't get it on dagger you can get it on a ring.

Yes I use the L100 tree, but the L91 tree is also good if you're starting as a witch. There are other trees for scion, templar, and shadow starts, but they are very similar to the witch one.

Jewels are linked in the tree section.

So, any type of added damage for EE will have similar results regarding dps? Or based on your experience maybe one will result in more dps?
Thanks! :)

Any advice on what to do? I have die a few times still and I play quite defensive.

Thanks mate

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Black_Magik wrote:

So, any type of added damage for EE will have similar results regarding dps? Or based on your experience maybe one will result in more dps?
Thanks! :)

It's best to have fire damage on cyclone, then use coc-ice nova-discharge.

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PoE17 wrote:

Just wanted to say sweet build and guide mate, blasting away with 6.8k ES and 3.6k life.
Feel like i don't need discipline but nothing else really to run.

Apparel:

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Nice stuff. You could probably spec more damage in the tree instead of getting rid of disco. What are your thoughts on mali's vs acuity? I never got to test that personally.

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Potato_Salads wrote:

Any advice on what to do? I have die a few times still and I play quite defensive.

Thanks mate

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You need a L1 CWDT - L5 Warlord not two L20 cwdts.

Get more ES on your shield. A better helm should be easy to get too, you could even craft one yourself. Also you need boots with ES, and a belt with life/ES and resists.

Don't negelect chaos resist, you should have +30-40 in merciless.

Also your EE isn't working. Your dagger does both fire and cold damage, and your ring also does cold damage.

Finally ideally you'd get a higher APS dagger. The low APS is hurting your consistency.

I was wondering if you could help look for what i need to upgrade next. I know I have a lot of room for improvement as i am only lvl 71 and the gem lvls are quite low as well.

Get two elreon rings. Get more ES on all your pieces, especially helm.

Get a better dagger.

This build doesn't really beat other builds until you have voll's devotion and at least 5ex to spend on other gear. Try my incinerate totems build until then.

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MatrixFactor wrote:

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PoE17 wrote:

Just wanted to say sweet build and guide mate, blasting away with 6.8k ES and 3.6k life.
Feel like i don't need discipline but nothing else really to run.

Apparel:

Spoiler

Nice stuff. You could probably spec more damage in the tree instead of getting rid of disco. What are your thoughts on mali's vs acuity? I never got to test that personally.

I was using acuities, but been using my legacy maligaros last few days, pros and cons to each obviously:

Stat Wise (Acuity):
-The int is good for ES, but we don't really need it to run gems or anything, and ES can be obtained from our tree pretty easy.
-The crit chance is good, but maligaros has more, i was slightly under crit capp with acuities, unless i got a nice crit mod on one of my rings so you just need a ring with modded crit with acuities. Though you should probably get crit on both rings anyway considering you're not always at max power charges especially single target.
-Armour is ok but we get so much from our perma granites.
-Life is great, wins over maligaros but we can get more life from the tree if we had too
-Leech on crit strike, this is the only stat that makes acuities worth considering just because it saves 4 nodes, and you obviously dont get the 2 nodes to get the extra jewel slot, so you end up with 6 nodes to spend elsewhere, though this does pose some problems
-The problem i initially had was i didnt have any strength or dex on my gear, i was just a few points shy of being able to run max V.M.S. and couldnt run max ice golem, faster attacks, vaal haste etc.
-Because of this i ending up having to spend 2 nodes on 30 strength and 30 dex anyway as i didnt cover it on my gear.

Stat Wise (Maligaros):
-Dex, we need dex for the gems so this helps alot, especially if you don't have other dex on gear you'll have to get dex nodes.
-Attack speed, helpful for CoC mechanics
-Crit Chance, more than acuities and easier to get crit capped
-Crit Multi, huge damage boost, especially legacy with 50 crit multi, can't get this much from tree, even non-legacy is a good damage boost.
-Without acuities leech you are forced to go get V.P., but you get helpful dex/str on the way
-Going down to get V.P. means you'll get the extra jewel slot, which we all know are really strong

Leech Thoughts:
-Assuming you're roughly crit capped and your spells are roughly around 80-90 crit chance for nova/discharge/freeze pulse
-95 percent chance to crit, 70 percent chance to cast spells when you crit, 80-90 percent chance for spells to crit, this still means you're still leeching a lot and quite often when you have 300-350 crit multi for your spells
-I can barely notice any difference in map clearing, i think this would make a difference for bosses but it's hard to tell the difference
-Mechanics and math aside, V.P. is obviously better considering you're always leeching instantly even on non-crits
-The downside to V.P. is no regen, but it's not really a big deal with perma life flasks and the 30+ life per sec (assuming most are around 3k life which is easy to obtain without any additional regen nodes) is not really that good anyway

Final Thoughts:
All things considered i kind of agree with you that maligaros is better for this build i.m.o.
The dex is good, attack speed is good, crit is just great damage, and going to get V.P. (which isn't that far) with the extra jewel slot is not necessarily a bad thing, and the leech will be better.