Let's Talk About PURE Evasion Items

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I'm hesitant to agree with this. Lightning coil gives much much more dmg mitigation than any rare chest will ever get.

Made a very long post, then i noticed it was you Slayer.

You know you are wrong with that observation and i should not have to explain to you why.

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Boem wrote:

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I'm hesitant to agree with this. Lightning coil gives much much more dmg mitigation than any rare chest will ever get.

Made a very long post, then i noticed it was you Slayer.

You know you are wrong with that observation and i should not have to explain to you why.

I'm honestly at a loss. Even a max rolled perfect AR chest will not give the amount of dmg mitigation against physical attacks that lightning coil does.

You're lopping 40% off the attack. Then end charges, then AR comes into play. That's HUGE.

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I'm honestly at a loss. Even a max rolled perfect AR chest will not give the amount of dmg mitigation against physical attacks that lightning coil does.

You're lopping 40% off the attack. Then end charges, then AR comes into play. That's HUGE.

Not taking into account the investment that a player is required to make to get this reduction?

1) aura

2) flask

3) keynode requirement

4) mod rolls on other items

5) medium hp/evasion/ar rolls.

And one is not connected to the other, like for example the fact the end-game lacks a cold spell damage type boss, thus rendering PoI useless and PoL a necessity. It's relevant to the usage of LC, but it's not LC's fault sort of speak that this is the case.

Also the current "75% resistance is worthless" kind of design model GGG opted for. It correlates to LC's usefulness, yet it is not the cause.

CL is definitely not BiS. It's a cheap replacement, just like all the other "BiS unique's" mentioned in this thread. And since a lot of players enjoy playing the game instead of trading, they will opt for the cheap solution and make the best use out of that.

From a cost efficiency, LC could be considered BiS. But not from a "end all of all" point of view.

You make it sound like everybody is running around with 100% lightning resistances.

And like everybody does not have the option to run immortal call on self-cast, nullifying the benefit of LC for a 3 gem cost.

Burb... you know all this, why do i have to type it out?

I'm sorry but LC is bis for so many builds. I would never choose a 2500 ev chest over LC. And anyone starting on the left side of the passive tree can easily stack the appropriate lightning resistances to take full advantage of LC. This item is not only cost efficient, but it offers the best phys damage reduction for too many builds. For anyone to say it's not bis needs to open their eyes.

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I'm sorry but LC is bis for so many builds. I would never choose a 2500 ev chest over LC. And anyone starting on the left side of the passive tree can easily stack the appropriate lightning resistances to take full advantage of LC. This item is not only cost efficient, but it offers the best phys damage reduction for too many builds. For anyone to say it's not bis needs to open their eyes.

Believe what you want sir, i have no issue with that.

But simply put, it is not.

It is however, cost efficient. Such as any unique in this game that is used for endgame.

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Boem wrote:

Believe what you want sir, i have no issue with that.

But simply put, it is not.

It is however, cost efficient. Such as any unique in this game that is used for endgame.

And how many builds have you tried before to say such a bold statement? I'm pretty sure at least half of my builds can call LC bis.

I'm actually an atheist btw so I don't believe, but I can say that I do know. Not every build can just slap 2+ defense stats together to make LC non-bis bro.

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Wishuponastar wrote:

Please keep in mind the level requirement of those chests - they are meant for end game. Hyrri's Ire has a level requirement of SIXTY FIVE, and Queen of Forest at 59. Please show me someone using these chests to do end game content?

There are 2 easy ways to see how useless these chests are: go to Act 3 Merciless and ask anyone you see with Hyrri's/Bronn's/Queen what they are using the chest for. They will all tell you for SKIN TRANSFER. Go to poexyz.com and check the prices - less than 1ex for these items, and less than 2ex for Queen because it is new. If an end-game evasion chest is selling for less than 1ex on Standard - and you still think it is a strong chest......

Me and a friend of mine both use Queen of the forest, you are really selling it short, others have mentioned why. (also dont forget people that devourers are animals too)
Also no one will tell you they are using queens for SKIN TRANSFER because it does not have its own skin yet. (and honestly that would be quite a waste, im glad someone with so little vision like you isnt in charge of unique creation.

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And how many builds have you tried before to say such a bold statement? I'm pretty sure at least half of my builds can call LC bis.

I'm actually an atheist btw so I don't believe, but I can say that I do know. Not every build can just slap 2+ defense stats together to make LC non-bis bro.

So am i right to assume you don't have 800 exalts and eternals?

A good IC setup requires 6 links total. Any fast hitting boss will bypass the insanely short duration. You're best off using 2 sets, one with a higher lvl.

And listing the aura as a negative is silly. Purity of lightning is one of the best auras, since lightning dmg can be the most lethal anyways.

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A good IC setup requires 6 links total. Any fast hitting boss will bypass the insanely short duration. You're best off using 2 sets, one with a higher lvl.

Yes manually casting IC and taking your time to kill a boss that is otherwise lethal to you is suddenly no longer viable, i think i missed a few patches, please enlighten me sir.

Also it is perfectly possible to get a good IC duration going when speced for it. Even with relative low amounts of endurance charges.

(making you imune in the process to physical attacks, enabling you to burst down a boss for example, even inside reflect maps etc)

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And listing the aura as a negative is silly. Purity of lightning is one of the best auras, since lightning dmg can be the most lethal anyways.

I shall quote myself shall i?

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And one is not connected to the other, like for example the fact the end-game lacks a cold spell damage type boss, thus rendering PoI useless and PoL a necessity. It's relevant to the usage of LC, but it's not LC's fault sort of speak that this is the case.

Also the current "75% resistance is worthless" kind of design model GGG opted for. It correlates to LC's usefulness, yet it is not the cause.

The only reason PoF and PoL are "considered" mandatory and not PoI, is because of game balance and design and should be accounted for when discussing this topic.

I thought you would be aware of that. My apology's.

Do continue sir '-.-

As far as experience goes.


Yes i have experience with it, with 96% lightning resistance and i still don't consider it BiS. I do consider it cost efficient which as far as i know =/= BiS.

The reasons you consider it BiS reach far beyond this armor. And as such are a "current state of the game" effect on it's usefulness. Nothing more and nothing less.