Legacy items

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sidtherat wrote:

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Rhys wrote:

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"Legacy" items are a natural consequence of our implementation of the mod system. When a mod is rolled, the result is stored in the item. The maximum and minimum values are never used except for the initial roll and any subsequent rerolls (Blessed Orb, Divine Orb, etc).

This means that if we change the max/min values for a mod, e.g. the +life mod on Kaom's Heart, this does not directly effect any existing items, only new ones that drop or old ones that are rerolled. Another way to create legacy items (at least for Uniques) is if we add or remove entire mods from the item.

This also means that we do not have legacy items of skill gems or currency, because they do not have mods. We do not have legacy passive skill trees because we do not support multiple trees.

So legacy items only happen when we make numerical changes to min/max values of mods, or if we add/remove entire mods from a unique. We do not create legacy items when we change what mods do (this is fairly rare, though).

If we really wanted, we could painstakingly go through every item on the realm and perform an "item migration" to update legacy items to their modern equivalents. However, this is something of a last resort; it has several downsides:
-it requires substantial downtime of the entire realm for an unknown-but-lengthy period of time.
-it requires manually looking at every individual item we wanted to update and writing a custom upgrade script for each one.
-any mistakes or reversals of balance affect the entire realm's items, rather than a handful of new items dropped between patches.
-pissing off often long-time players by (potentially) destroying significant wealth right out of their stash.
-we'd have to do it all again every time we made changes that would result in a legacy item.

I'm not saying legacy items are all sunshine and rainbows, but they are at worst a necessary evil.

why is it that i think the bolded part is the most important? economy rules them all in poe

the 'downtime' play is a weak one - for your own sake you should EXACTLY know how much this downtime would take and probably practice it on your test realms. if you havent done so - it will backfire on you BADLY sometime. writing scripts etc takes as long as several minutes! calling it painstakingly is a stretch and 'downtime' is a scapegoat to cover the real reason: legacies 'fuel' the economy

in short - Crown of Bad Balance is here to stay

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

Legacy items are like a cancer, that ruins the game balance from within. You decided to buff Life node, and nerf Kaom's heart, to avoid stacking too high HP. But since legacy Kaom exists, ridiculous HP pools are possible to gain...

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linkstatic wrote:

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

Legacy items are like a cancer, that ruins the game balance from within. You decided to buff Life node, and nerf Kaom's heart, to avoid stacking too high HP. But since legacy Kaom exists, ridiculous HP pools are possible to gain...

Still how does this affect you?

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DalaiLama wrote:

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deteego wrote:

OP items cause you to farm much faster than you should, which inflates the economy

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Should GGG put a cap on how much currency, items or experience a player should be able to gain per day? Say 3 uniques, 1 exalts worth and 20 million XP max per day?

Or do you mean a player should only be allowed to make/join a certain number of instances per hour - say one joined or made every 20 minutes?

If you are NOT suggesting there "should" be a cap, than what do you mean about farming faster than they "should"?

From what I can tell, the fastest way to acquire wealth in PoE doesn't require a single legacy item. You can flip currency and items without a Shavronne's, a Kaom's or a Soul Taker.

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raics wrote:

See? Every couple of weeks another fresh 10+ page topic on supreme evil that are legacy items.

Now don't tell me this wasn't worth a 12 hours downtime and an penitential allnighter by a couple of more irresponsible employees. Not really convinced a script couldn't be rigged to sniff out all copies of an unique and reroll it until the mod falls roughly into range it previously had (and that's assuming it can't just be set to some arbitrary value).

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ShaeG wrote:

If you can retroactively nerf all of one item like a skill gem.. why cant you do the same for legacy items.


Legacy items are just a dumb idea all around.

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linkstatic wrote:

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

Legacy items are like a cancer, that ruins the game balance from within. You decided to buff Life node, and nerf Kaom's heart, to avoid stacking too high HP. But since legacy Kaom exists, ridiculous HP pools are possible to gain...

Still how does this affect you?