POE: The Best of Games and the Worst of Games

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Randomzx wrote:

Not to mention, Vendor ONLY refresh their inventory upon level up. Therefore they quickly become even more useless as if they didn't already start to plummet in value as soon as you advance through normal.

With all those things you can't control in this game, I'm surprised GGG haven't implement this:
1) You have a random chance of obtaining 0-2 passive points on level up.
2) Each time you create a character, the passive tree is randomly generated.
3) Your body parts is randomly attached to your body upon character creation.

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Midnitecloud wrote:

I think the problems are deeper than Chris will say on here. He talks about the drop rate of orbs like if they increased it at all the market would instantly be flooded. The issue is bots are farming up orbs at a very fast rate, and if the drop rate was increased to where a normal play would see these rare orbs more frequently then bots would be finding tons of them. The drop rate is ridiculously low so bots can't insert so many exalts and eternals that everyone would have Godly gear. The problem with this is that finding anything good is nearly impossible. So everyone who is wealthy either plays the economic simulator game or just RMTs it.

I have a feeling they also want to keep everything out of reach because they have a lot more content that they want to add, but it will be years before they can add it all. So they think that by limiting the amount of stuff we can reasonable attain they will extend the life of the game. I'm not sure if this will work because they are frustrating a large portion of the player base, and frustrated players tend to find a new game eventually.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

I actually like the crafting system... it's what makes the game fun in the first place. But players who "need the best" find it "an abomination". Here's the thing... no one needs the best. You don't need 6L. You don't need your rares to be optimal. You don't need an item so good that the million players will all give you stuff just to look at it.

The crafting system allows you to dream of this stuff, and makes it next to impossible to obtain it. It's doing it's job perfectly. Yes, it's frustrating. If it weren't, you wouldn't value the items you could create. Yes, it relies entirely on luck. What else would you have it rely on? Skill? What skill?

I think that if you look at it... crafting in PoE is it's strongest point.

Your "bad" points are comments on your (and most players) playstyle... not on the game. If you were to play self found HC, you would find the game a lot more fun. You don't sit in town trading. That's the abomination. You find items all the time. You craft items occasionally. And you die, and get to play the game again. It's fun. You've turned the game into a job and are complaining it's not fun. Learn to have fun.

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kraak wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

I actually like the crafting system... it's what makes the game fun in the first place. But players who "need the best" find it "an abomination". Here's the thing... no one needs the best. You don't need 6L. You don't need your rares to be optimal. You don't need an item so good that the million players will all give you stuff just to look at it.

The crafting system allows you to dream of this stuff, and makes it next to impossible to obtain it. It's doing it's job perfectly. Yes, it's frustrating. If it weren't, you wouldn't value the items you could create. Yes, it relies entirely on luck. What else would you have it rely on? Skill? What skill?

I think that if you look at it... crafting in PoE is it's strongest point.

Your "bad" points are comments on your (and most players) playstyle... not on the game. If you were to play self found HC, you would find the game a lot more fun. You don't sit in town trading. That's the abomination. You find items all the time. You craft items occasionally. And you die, and get to play the game again. It's fun. You've turned the game into a job and are complaining it's not fun. Learn to have fun.

This.

Well said.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

I actually like the crafting system... it's what makes the game fun in the first place. But players who "need the best" find it "an abomination". Here's the thing... no one needs the best. You don't need 6L. You don't need your rares to be optimal. You don't need an item so good that the million players will all give you stuff just to look at it.

The crafting system allows you to dream of this stuff, and makes it next to impossible to obtain it. It's doing it's job perfectly. Yes, it's frustrating. If it weren't, you wouldn't value the items you could create. Yes, it relies entirely on luck. What else would you have it rely on? Skill? What skill?

I think that if you look at it... crafting in PoE is it's strongest point.

Your "bad" points are comments on your (and most players) playstyle... not on the game. If you were to play self found HC, you would find the game a lot more fun. You don't sit in town trading. That's the abomination. You find items all the time. You craft items occasionally. And you die, and get to play the game again. It's fun. You've turned the game into a job and are complaining it's not fun. Learn to have fun.

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Zvim wrote:

I think what annoys me the most is that the Skill Tree is a thing of beauty and precision, you can spend hours enjoying it from the safety of a web browser and conjure devilish builds. It is simple in design, it is complex in getting the most out of it. There is nothing more enjoyable than creating something of your own design that works well for you.

It works well because it is a constant, it is predictable and you know what you have to achieve.

By contrast the crafting is totally random. To apply the crafting concept to the skill tree what nodes you get would be random, do i get +10 str, +10 int, +10 dex? Who knows, lets roll the dice.

Gems, predictable. Skills, predictable. Loot, random. Crafting, random.

I think random has it's place in games, but one of the best crafting systems in an online game I have ever seen was the crafting system in Star Wars Galaxies, in many conceptual ways the game was decades ahead of it's time and Sony couldn't pull it off. That crafting system was beautiful, elegant and complex with many variables and almost countless methods for experimentation and improvement. You could play 24/7 just as a crafter in that game it was satisfying. It had no random element in the crafting.

I think it is a shame we have something as complex and in-depth as the player skill tree and a console level press a button crafting system totally based on obnoxious random elements.