POE: The Best of Games and the Worst of Games

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RagnarokChu wrote:

There is nothing else outside of Act 3 merciless as oppose to maps and item level only go to 60ish until you reach maps.

What else do you do in ARPGs when you done everything and have 1% of the better rolled gear in the game? It's not exactly possible to make a constant progression of upgrades past end game were there are only 3 acts.

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created a crafting system that far surpasses any other ARPG

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Mr_Cee wrote:

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deteego wrote:

The main use for obs is as a currency, not a crafting mechanism.

Depending on your view: the vast majority of Jewellers/Fusings and especially Chromatics ARE used to apply on items. (They probably were also traded before, and even are tradable multiple times instead of just one use, but that both dont make the point here) And I'd expect that these orbs are a much bigger part of the whole currency pool than the trade-relevant higher valuable orbs like especially Chaos and Exalted. And even more to this 'balance' may count all orbs (Alteration, Chaos) that are used on maps...

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Mr_Cee wrote:

Crafting in POE has more than one single aspect: Orbs like Augmentation, Regal and Exalted (and also the quality improvements) really ADD to a given item. That the result (for the orbs) is random, did not reverse that its a crafted affix.

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Mr_Cee wrote:

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deteego wrote:

they have failed. Crafting does work at really low levels, but than again you don't need to really craft at this point in the game which makes it a moot point

Why not aim for some best-possible progressing items too? Its natural that the quote of best-rolled affixes decreases with rising level, but that should not prevent anybody from using currency (at least up to Chaos) whenever they think they could need the output. And the socket affecting orbs are totally out of question to be used on ever purpose.

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deteego wrote:

If you craft in PoE for anything that isn't pots, you are doing it wrong

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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deteego wrote:

If you craft in PoE for anything that isn't pots, you are doing it wrong

You dont expect me to believe, that 6-L 700+ ES chests are dropping here and there, and for some unknown reasons, 90-95% of them are Vaal Regalias (despite Widowsilk Robe has almost the same base ES), do you?
Only a complete idiot will think that all those good chests, worth 20+ exalteds each, are dropped from mobs. Obviously, most (if not all) of them are CRAFTED. And if someone crafts them, then it's profitable and covers expenses. Otherwise, we would see only few of those available, and prices would skyrocket rapidly.
Crafting endgame items isnt fiction - it is REALITY, and most godly endgame items are CRAFTED!

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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deteego wrote:

If you craft in PoE for anything that isn't pots, you are doing it wrong

You dont expect me to believe, that 6-L 700+ ES chests are dropping here and there, and for some unknown reasons, 90-95% of them are Vaal Regalias (despite Widowsilk Robe has almost the same base ES), do you?
Only a complete idiot will think that all those good chests, worth 20+ exalteds each, are dropped from mobs. Obviously, most (if not all) of them are CRAFTED. And if someone crafts them, then it's profitable and covers expenses. Otherwise, we would see only few of those available, and prices would skyrocket rapidly.
Crafting endgame items isnt fiction - it is REALITY, and most godly endgame items are CRAFTED!

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one in a thousand people entering a casino, ends up not losing his money.
one in ten thousand, actually wins something, walking away with more money than he came in.
one in a million lottery tickets, wins a fortune.

the money is there. it exists.
you don't have it? you must be doing something wrong.
*evil grin*

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MyTeacherTouchesMe wrote:

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one in a thousand people entering a casino, ends up not losing his money.
one in ten thousand, actually wins something, walking away with more money than he came in.
one in a million lottery tickets, wins a fortune.

the money is there. it exists.
you don't have it? you must be doing something wrong.
*evil grin*

Now imagine guys who try, then go to their rich daddy, ask for more cash and keep coming back to the Casino. That's RMT and PoE is plagued by it just like any other hack'n'slash.

Best solution is a self-found league where you can't trade and items dropped are automatically destroyed, just like in town.

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bluefalcon74 wrote:

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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deteego wrote:

If you craft in PoE for anything that isn't pots, you are doing it wrong

You dont expect me to believe, that 6-L 700+ ES chests are dropping here and there, and for some unknown reasons, 90-95% of them are Vaal Regalias (despite Widowsilk Robe has almost the same base ES), do you?
Only a complete idiot will think that all those good chests, worth 20+ exalteds each, are dropped from mobs. Obviously, most (if not all) of them are CRAFTED. And if someone crafts them, then it's profitable and covers expenses. Otherwise, we would see only few of those available, and prices would skyrocket rapidly.
Crafting endgame items isnt fiction - it is REALITY, and most godly endgame items are CRAFTED!

Yeah, sure. No problem. I will wait intently for you to show your self-crafted 6l. Year 1 begins now.

No one is saying they aren't crafted at some point. We're saying unless you're a mega-wealthy trader/scammer/flipper you don't have a chance in hell. Prove me wrong.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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deteego wrote:

If you craft in PoE for anything that isn't pots, you are doing it wrong

You dont expect me to believe, that 6-L 700+ ES chests are dropping here and there, and for some unknown reasons, 90-95% of them are Vaal Regalias (despite Widowsilk Robe has almost the same base ES), do you?
Only a complete idiot will think that all those good chests, worth 20+ exalteds each, are dropped from mobs. Obviously, most (if not all) of them are CRAFTED. And if someone crafts them, then it's profitable and covers expenses. Otherwise, we would see only few of those available, and prices would skyrocket rapidly.
Crafting endgame items isnt fiction - it is REALITY, and most godly endgame items are CRAFTED!

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RagnarokChu wrote:

What does self-found league solve exactly.

The items in the game are exactly the same, and you will still almost never find the BIS items.

You will still have to use 10000 orbs to get a 6 link or find one drop, and then spend 10000 orbs to make it good.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

Oh no.

A godly crafted 6-link with the best stats is hard to self-found or craft.

Must be against self-found.

Spoiler: Almost nobody has one

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johnnysd wrote:

I like POE quite a bit, am a supporter and have logged quite a few hours in the game.

That said, it is one of the most enigmatic of titles I have ever played, being truly innovative and original in many areas while also at the same time having some systems and features that are among the worst I have experienced in a game of this type.

On the hand, you have the skill system and that transcendent skill tree. Just a picture of that skill tree was enough to get me interested in the game, and I remember spending long periods just looking at the closed beta lottery random picks hoping my name was picked.

The skill system and skill system are easily the best of any game I have played. Super deep and complex it allows for tremendous variations and interesting builds, and the layered interaction with skill and support gems is brilliant. I have no interest in copying other peoples builds, and have started many characters getting better and better each time at making a viable character. I play only hardcore, and the difficulty is well balanced

The flask system is inspired and adds depth to an otherwise throwaway mechanic. POE is truly a visionary leader in these two areas, and they are so good it allows you for quite a long while to ignore the really bad parts.

And the bad parts are as bad as the good parts are brilliant.

The "crafting" system is a complete abomination. Sorry but it is true. It adds literally nothing to the game other than annoyance and frustration and serves no strategic or skill value, rather simply a nested completely random slog through tons of orbs just to get features of an item to progress in the game. There may be underlying "economy" and grinding rationales behind the orb system but the reality is that is not fun on any level and really brings the enjoyment level of the game down significantly. There should be enough barriers in build, gear, monster AI, stat stacking etc...to make progression difficult and thought provoking not to need a gambling system on steroids to grind everything to a screeching halt. I am not convinced it does anything to make people play more, but it certainly will make people leave. It should be completely scrapped and overhauled to be honest. It is abysmal.

Then there is loot. POE does not really have loot, it has core items and orbs. Period. All you get as you play the game is an endless sea of white gear, occasional blues rares and uniques with random sockets that invariably need to be modified using incredibly low drop rate orbs and the terrible crafting system. There is very very rare joy in finding anything in POE. In fact drops are so bad, that it is actually more efficient to sit in town and "buy" items with the crafting orbs, because you are never going to find what you need, and the orbs you have because of the completely random nature are completely useless for trying to actually craft something. For a game that originally promised no currency and a barter system, POE is the most currency-concentric game I have ever played.

POE just needs more fun stuff to drop. Think about the fact that D2 had gens jewels, charms, set items, runes, class specific items, true crafted items and you realize that in D2 you always were finding something interesting even if it didn't make your character better, in POE you very rarely find anything that is interesting. Even the uniques are extremely limited.

Still, it is a very good game. And GGG are awesome in their bi-weekly content updates and additions. To be really sucessfull long term, I really think GGG needs to look at completely overhauling the orb and loot system because as it is, unless the skill system is a big enough hook (like it is for me) the other elements are bad enough to scare people away