Frenzy Princess <3 ^^

I'm still using the 4L. The only thing I can think is that you're doing things in a different order than me. I only have 5 Max Frenzy charges atm.
I'll show you the equation for our damage.
(((((Base Elemental Damage * Increased Elemental Damage) * More Elemental Damage) + Physical Damage) * Increased Projectile Damage) * Damage Effectiveness) * Attacks per Second
So for me this is:
(((((150 * 1.8) * 1.75) + 100) * 1.3) * 0.8) * 4 = 2381.6 per second with 5 projectiles.
When I make the switch to Frezny/GMP instead of Split Arrow, that last attack speed modifier will be 6, and there will be an additional number, as * Less Projectile Damage, and will look like this:
((((((150 * 1.8) * 1.75) + 100) * 1.6) * 1.1) * 0.5) *6 = 3022.8 per second with 5 projectiles.
As you can imagine, there is no support gem we can add to split arrow to increase our total DPS by 30%, so we just switch it out for Frenzy+GMP.

Edit: These numbers aren't exact, as I have a bit less physical damage than listed, but a bit more Increased Elemental Damage and maybe a few other tiny variances. My listed DPS for split arrow is 2150ish.

The math can be overwhelming to some people, so I didn't include it in the OP. The only real conclusion I can tell you is that since any base elemental damage you have is multiplied by about 12, adding 5-15 elemental damage (10 on average) will get you 120 more dps. YOU NEED ELEMENTAL DAMAGE ON ALL YOUR JEWELRY!!! I put stat priorities on gear for a reason. ^^

Where do the *1.3(split) and *1.6(frenzy) which you list as increased projectile damage and the *0.8(split) and *1.1 (which you list as damage effectiveness) come from?

And why are you multiplying you ele damage with the increased projectile damage? Isn't this only on the physical part?

Do you have extra ias on your gear btw, because i have 6 frenzy charges atm, and i don't fire 4 split arrows/sec or 6/sec with frenzy (bow speed is 1.4 and yours is 1.55 but still)

In your final example alot of your dps gain of frenzy is of the attacks/sec.
With the frenzy attacks you attack 50% faster (6/sec instead of 4/sec), the difference in real isn't that big it seems to me. (maybe once i gotten that 7th frenzy stack and a faster bow?)

I'm still at start of ruthless, so i'll get some better gear, a faster bow and try it out again.
Btw, if you wanna try your gear with a 5L, you can borrow my chest. (my GMP isn't leveled yet though)

@Unalacrima
- 30% increase projectile damage comes from the passive tree, and the 30% extra is from the LMP/GMP on Frenzy.
- The damage effectiveness are on the skills Split Arrow and Frenzy themselves.
- Increased projectile damage increases every damage aspect of a projectile.
- This is why I say the math can be overwhelming. Just trust me, the build works, you must be doing something different than listed. ^^
- My bow's attack speed is 1.64, and I use faster attacks on both Split Arrow and Frenzy atm, since I won't use the pierce gem till I get the 35% passive and I don't need Life Leech supporting my single target Frenzy until I start doing the maps with Reflect Elemental Damage mods.
- 7 Frenzy charges gives 35% attack speed; 7 Frenzy charges gives 105% attack speed on a no quality Frenzy at level 16; 7 Frenzy charges gives 154% attack speed on a quality Frenzy at level 16.
- I've already got a 5L. I choose not to use it yet.

The problem I think you're having is you're aiming too big too fast. 5L and Frenzy with GMP aren't needed for you yet, and are even less effective at your level. It is a setup that works well with leveled gems and a nearly complete skill web, which you don't have yet.

Add to guide your choice in the quest "Deal with the Bandits"

@Lezli

soooo... the passive skill tree that is linked at the start of ur post is updated?
and btw , WOW on the build ^^ .

Yes, as of me being level 69, the listed build is what I have.

Which one of the builds are you using? I wanna know because i'm new to this game and i have no ideia of what is best for me ;s

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Lezli wrote:

I'm still using the 4L. The only thing I can think is that you're doing things in a different order than me. I only have 5 Max Frenzy charges atm.
I'll show you the equation for our damage.
(((((Base Elemental Damage * Increased Elemental Damage) * More Elemental Damage) + Physical Damage) * Increased Projectile Damage) * Damage Effectiveness) * Attacks per Second
So for me this is:
(((((150 * 1.8) * 1.75) + 100) * 1.3) * 0.8) * 4 = 2381.6 per second with 5 projectiles.
When I make the switch to Frezny/GMP instead of Split Arrow, that last attack speed modifier will be 6, and there will be an additional number, as * Less Projectile Damage, and will look like this:
((((((150 * 1.8) * 1.75) + 100) * 1.6) * 1.1) * 0.5) *6 = 3022.8 per second with 5 projectiles.
As you can imagine, there is no support gem we can add to split arrow to increase our total DPS by 30%, so we just switch it out for Frenzy+GMP.

Edit: These numbers aren't exact, as I have a bit less physical damage than listed, but a bit more Increased Elemental Damage and maybe a few other tiny variances. My listed DPS for split arrow is 2150ish.

The math can be overwhelming to some people, so I didn't include it in the OP. The only real conclusion I can tell you is that since any base elemental damage you have is multiplied by about 12, adding 5-15 elemental damage (10 on average) will get you 120 more dps. YOU NEED ELEMENTAL DAMAGE ON ALL YOUR JEWELRY!!! I put stat priorities on gear for a reason. ^^

Actually, what I am told is that all "increase damage" nodes are additive regardless of type, as long as they apply to the type of damage. Instead, Less/More are multiplier mods that is counted after all increased/decreased damage mods are applied.

Lets say you have:
30% increased fire damage
20% increased elemental damage
20% increased weapon elemental damage
30% increased projectile damage
Base of 20-60 phy damage
Base of 50-100 fire damage

Phy damage = (20-60)*(1[base]+0.3=1.3) = 26-78
Fire damage = (50-100)*(1[base]+0.3+0.2+0.2+0.3=2) = 100-200

Now, with LMP lvl 8 (my current one for comparison), your damage becomes:

Phy damage = (20-60)*(1+0.3+0.14=1.44)*0.7 = 20.16-60.48
Fire damage = (50-100)*(1+0.3+0.2+0.2+0.3+0.14=)*0.7 = 74.9-149.8

With a GMP you can expect even lower damage, while the increased projectile damage from the gem does little to nothing to off-set the damage loss. This is why in some cases a split arrow without GMP/LMP could probably do more damage than say, frenzy with GMP. Especially when you have like 300+ dmg per element while having low phy dmg.

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On a side note, I'm personally not keen to go for blood magic since it would kill off the use of %mana auras, running an elemental build myself (unsure about frenzy vs elemental hit).

I was considering Eldritch Battery instead, which gives a very nice boost when combined with Discipline Aura (ES->mana). Could probably afford to go pure evasion armors too (for max armor with iron reflex), since you should have more than enough mana to support like all 3 elemental auras (hatred, anger, wrath) and discipline (fixed mana reserve, not %). This is not even considering the mana leech/reduced mana/mana regen gems yet, nor your normal regen. Could even use Grace or Determination as well.

So, you use Hatred with Blood Magic ???


Edit: Do you play softcore? If so how many times have you died? (just curious, not trying to be a douche. You can check with /deaths I think)

@Zealflare
I'm not going to challenge what you think you know from being told by others. Test it yourself and see if you have any reason to doubt me.

@Fireblanket
I only use hatred if I get a good elemental bow that also happens to have a good physical roll on it;
I also only flip on hatred in situations where I know I won't be hit, so I don't need as large of a life pool. Generally, farming easy areas and killing bosses.