Life vs Armour and Resists!

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Xendran wrote:

according to a pm i got from struyk, comparing 1200 to 2200hp with the exact same arnor build and same rest of gear is a fair comparison.


What.

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Struyk wrote:

It's not really a lie, it's a lie against very strong monsters. I can use granite flasks or pots with 90% armour increase and nothing changes when Im running maps.

Trying to figure out against what amount of damage the defence sheet is doing its calculations.
I just know its getting harder and harder to get 90% physical damage reduction as you level up.

But that graphs just proves even more then you need armour and not life. Because the higher damage you take the more armour you need so people with low armour and high life will take almost max physical damage.

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tinghshi wrote:

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Struyk wrote:

It's not really a lie, it's a lie against very strong monsters. I can use granite flasks or pots with 90% armour increase and nothing changes when Im running maps.

Trying to figure out against what amount of damage the defence sheet is doing its calculations.
I just know its getting harder and harder to get 90% physical damage reduction as you level up.

But that graphs just proves even more then you need armour and not life. Because the higher damage you take the more armour you need so people with low armour and high life will take almost max physical damage.

Now you're just twisting the point in random nonsensical ways to fit your argument. You obviously have no understanding of the mechanics of this game. Try to read up the Mechanics thread before posting against. The fact that armor scales so sharply means that the higher damage you take, the less armor protects you against it. That 90% in your charts means nothing. You will be easily one hit killed by large enemies, since your armor became useless, and your still have your tiny wimpy life. But if you have high Life, you will survive that hit, even without Granite and Endurance Charges. On small enemies, the much higher regen and leech is MORE than enough to become better than any armor builds.

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Struyk wrote:

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tinghshi wrote:

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Struyk wrote:

It's not really a lie, it's a lie against very strong monsters. I can use granite flasks or pots with 90% armour increase and nothing changes when Im running maps.

Trying to figure out against what amount of damage the defence sheet is doing its calculations.
I just know its getting harder and harder to get 90% physical damage reduction as you level up.

But that graphs just proves even more then you need armour and not life. Because the higher damage you take the more armour you need so people with low armour and high life will take almost max physical damage.

Now you're just twisting the point in random nonsensical ways to fit your argument. You obviously have no understanding of the mechanics of this game. Try to read up the Mechanics thread before posting against. The fact that armor scales so sharply means that the higher damage you take, the less armor protects you against it. That 90% in your charts means nothing. You will be easily one hit killed by large enemies, since your armor became useless, and your still have your tiny wimpy life. But if you have high Life, you will survive that hit, even without Granite and Endurance Charges. On small enemies, the much higher regen and leech is MORE than enough to become better than any armor builds.

Explain how I can run 95% of any endgame map without using a single flask? I did not die in ages either. All with 1.2k HP and 10k armour with 6 endurance charges. I've done high level maps togather with ykysha, ask her how well it works.

And yes, with high life you will survive THAT ONE HIT, then next hit you die because your flasks only refill 10% of your life...

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Spysong192 wrote:

The problem with armor is that phys% reduction (the real flat amount not the estimated amount you see in char screen) is based of the dmg you receive. So later on you would need a ridiculous amount of armor to provide a good %reduction to really hardhitters.

physReduction = (charArmor)/(charArmor + 12 * takenPhysDamage) + ((enduranceCharges * 5)/100)

F.ex.:
Armor: 20000 ; Dmg received: 2000 -> %reduction = 45%

So nonetheless you would receive 1100 dmg from the source.
Better bet your hp pool is big.

Also this is why endurance charges are so prior to everything else and why armor nodes get meaningless the higher level you get. Because they add a direct flat amount to %reduction.

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Struyk wrote:

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Spysong192 wrote:

The problem with armor is that phys% reduction (the real flat amount not the estimated amount you see in char screen) is based of the dmg you receive. So later on you would need a ridiculous amount of armor to provide a good %reduction to really hardhitters.

physReduction = (charArmor)/(charArmor + 12 * takenPhysDamage) + ((enduranceCharges * 5)/100)

F.ex.:
Armor: 20000 ; Dmg received: 2000 -> %reduction = 45%

So nonetheless you would receive 1100 dmg from the source.
Better bet your hp pool is big.

Also this is why endurance charges are so prior to everything else and why armor nodes get meaningless the higher level you get. Because they add a direct flat amount to %reduction.

You guys are only talking about hard hitting monsters, only 2 hard hitting monsters ive met are brutus and vaal. And both can be fought without getting ANY damage. For the rest you need 5-6k armour.... ( hillock hits me for mayby 5% hp... )

And im pretty sure the formula wont be the same at level 100, because you cant get a million armour if mobs hit 20k

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Example:

Monsters hitting me and I have 2 builds:
#1 - 800 hp 70% reduction from armour.
#2 - 1700 hp 40% reduction from armour.

Monster is hitting me for 100 damage:
#1 will take 30 damage per hit.
#2 will take 60 damage per hit.

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Struyk wrote:

Explain how I can run 95% of any endgame map without using a single flask? I did not die in ages either.

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Spysong192 wrote:

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Struyk wrote:

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Spysong192 wrote:

The problem with armor is that phys% reduction (the real flat amount not the estimated amount you see in char screen) is based of the dmg you receive. So later on you would need a ridiculous amount of armor to provide a good %reduction to really hardhitters.

physReduction = (charArmor)/(charArmor + 12 * takenPhysDamage) + ((enduranceCharges * 5)/100)

F.ex.:
Armor: 20000 ; Dmg received: 2000 -> %reduction = 45%

So nonetheless you would receive 1100 dmg from the source.
Better bet your hp pool is big.

Also this is why endurance charges are so prior to everything else and why armor nodes get meaningless the higher level you get. Because they add a direct flat amount to %reduction.

You guys are only talking about hard hitting monsters, only 2 hard hitting monsters ive met are brutus and vaal. And both can be fought without getting ANY damage. For the rest you need 5-6k armour.... ( hillock hits me for mayby 5% hp... )

And im pretty sure the formula wont be the same at level 100, because you cant get a million armour if mobs hit 20k

Just wanted to make you understand how armor phys%reduction works. Cause i could see from your OP that you don´t understand it at all.

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Example:

Monsters hitting me and I have 2 builds:
#1 - 800 hp 70% reduction from armour.
#2 - 1700 hp 40% reduction from armour.

Monster is hitting me for 100 damage:
#1 will take 30 damage per hit.
#2 will take 60 damage per hit.

You can´t tell how much reduction you have if you you don´t tell me the amount of armor you have. I´m to lazy now to do the math backwards from 100 dmg to see how much armor you have.