No Summoner!!!

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dornal wrote:

I love the GMP Fireball spectres. And my computer is older than dirt. My gfx card isn't even supported anymore.
No issues. At all.

Why do some people have these issues and others don't? It doesn't seem to have anything with how awesome your computer is.

While the Zombies do most of the damage now, they are great still for moping up low health trash on the screen. Plus they guarantee mobs get tagged and don't kill you.

But 4 on the screen does create some lag for me when I go to 4, which isn't usually.

I love my dead babies!
I created summoner just do not need to play a lot in groups, I prefer the "Forever Alone Player Mode". But if anyone wants to play along will be welcome, provided that the person is not boring.

But I agree with Rathik2:

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The lag is cause by summoners using the curtains specters.

When I choose "Tentacles" for example, does not happen lag

And Bozon, I love abstract art! I will save your image and use as wallpaper :D

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Summoners are nice fellas. Except those moments when you simply can not tell whats happening on the screen:

(Sorry, do not know how to add the image in "Quote")

In short, I consider better all my dead babies than 1 player boring and greedy!

Summons say: thanks for the topic! \o/

All the best to you All!

Ps.: I apologize for my poor english

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torturo wrote:

Summoners could be a support if anyone needed it at all. They can only help to a party full of noobs, at the cost of lag and frame drop.
Melees prefer full melee parties for no lag, faster clearing speed and invulnerability when close to each other.
Bow users prefer playing with melees for no lag and using front chars as a shield.
Melees will accept rangers, because of their high dps output at the cost of minor lag they may cause sometimes (LA,PA).
Both melee and rangers will admire a non lag caster/aura supporter in team.
Casters/supporters will like the melees for same reasons as rangers do.
All of the above said categories spit on summoners and sporkers and prefer to kick them immediately, because they bring nothing useful, but incredible lag/frame drop, which makes them efficient team player killers.

Every high end group I know wants an MF sporker to cull. If it makes your FPS drop that much it's your computer.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

For me the issue is purely that they get in the way, contributing more than their fair of screen clutter without bringing anything useful into the mix.

nothing useful ? seriously ? you won't die as much with that meat shield in the way.
for those of use with pathetic gear, not dying is quite the change of pace :-)

I appreciate all the replies to this thread. It seems that most people have an issue with summoners slowing down the fps of everyone else in the party with their flame spewing specters and/or totems. That's probably something that GGG can fix. But it seems that there are also a few people who don't like summoners because they feel summoners are lazy and don't bring enough to the table. I suppose this is possible but this might be an image problem as well. There have to be good summoners out there who do a ton of damage, have great auras and curses, provide a needed meat shield and generally make their party much better than it would be without them.

What do you think?

i play some runs with machine-gun summoner -no fps drop or very low and his death bodies army helps a lot in farm speed
also have 2 sporkers in group - all was FINE
but then wild mara join and start LS or groundslam (dont remember) and my PC die all time he starts hit smtn

so "no mara" also ?

Hopefully, with the release all this discrimination will end (right, ggg?). Even though I have decent iir/iiq and never use spectres in groups, most people still afraid of me :)

Or maybe their pc are too slow even for 8 zombies, who knows.

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Doitfrlulz wrote:

i play some runs with machine-gun summoner -no fps drop or very low and his death bodies army helps a lot in farm speed
also have 2 sporkers in group - all was FINE
but then wild mara join and start LS or groundslam (dont remember) and my PC die all time he starts hit smtn

so "no mara" also ?

i found that LS started causing big time desync.

Your point is a good one that people seem to be missing. Lots of skills cause problems so:

no LS
no LA
no flickers
no leapslam
no etc...

maybe instead of "banning" summoners , we could direct constructive criticism, i.e. reports with good data, towards GGG.

I'm getting pretty tired of all those wonderful skills they've developed you shouldn't use because of de-synce, frame rate, and whatever. Even more amusing is people telling you are stupid for using X because it causes de-synce or what have you. Maybe GGG should stop introducing skills until they can tighten up on the graphics overhead.

I ran torchlight2 on my laptop with integrated graphics and it did _extremely_ well. POE absolutely killed it. Seems like there is a fair amount of performance optimization to be had so that people can run summoners AND ALL THOSE MANY SKILLS WHICH SEEM TO CAUSE PROBLEMS without causing horrendous FPS drops.

As for summoners being "useless", any character can be useless when the person at the controls isn't any good. I've certainly run in groups with excellent summoners, sporkers, dischargers etc... as well as bad ones.

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plasticeyes wrote:

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MonstaMunch wrote:

For me the issue is purely that they get in the way, contributing more than their fair of screen clutter without bringing anything useful into the mix.

nothing useful ? seriously ? you won't die as much with that meat shield in the way.
for those of use with pathetic gear, not dying is quite the change of pace :-)

my friend actually quited the game becouse on merciless he could only play (read survive) with my zombies

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Stack21 wrote:

Why?

Why aren't summoners wanted to join groups? Every map and lunaris public group up on anarchy right now has a "no summoner" request in it's tagline.

Can someone explain to me why this is so?