Self-Found (League) [Thread outdated!]
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"+1 This thread is about 10% rational discussion and 90% scapegoating. The thing about scapegoating: when you finally do remove the alleged cause, the problems are all still there. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Sep 2, 2013, 10:40:29 AM
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" You made more posts - in this thread - than the guys who want the league happens. How do you feel about that? i like this game. i mean have you seen how powerful is the barbarian
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" Even if you just browse through this thread you can see that it's more than people that oppose it. " Everytime I read a post of yours I got the feeling that you are a lot less clever than you think you are but maybe it's just me I may be way too stupid to get the genius in you. Anyway related to topic, nice made up statistics, I should give you that. No longer a forum dweller, please use PM for contact purposes. Last edited by ignarsoll#5178 on Sep 2, 2013, 11:56:57 AM
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Hi
SFL: 1)No trading with players.2)No mf rolls on blue or yellow.3)Increased orb drops NOT items.4) No loot allocation timer(what drops is yours forever), No party benefits besides harder monsters. 4 month temporary league at the end all players gear/characters are erased so as to ensure no influx to the ''precious'' POE economy. I am sure this will be implemented but still think it insulting that devs's(Qarl's post) think this league would be best played as a paid to play league. D1,2,3 all have solo self found play and people play both modes. Why do devs and trolls think this SFL would be the end? Are SFL'ers so fanatical that they would never return to other leagues?, is this the fear people have for SFL? Truth is most people play on more then one league! What is the issue? Is there not enough people with dedication to this idea to prove otherwise? QARL:I was under the impression that games need to be balanced and most games balance a game off of solo play then parties, GGG seems to be doing it backwards with balancing parties to solo. Why the dislike/ lack of incentive for solo players? SFL would if anything vindicate how awesome POE could be for a solo experience even though I do advocate parties in SFL it is only because players need diversity and choices. The way this game has thus been made is to ensure players grind against bot users in a ever inflating economy or do races to get stuff and then sell it furtherly increasing the inflation which GGG has commented on happening before; these race items should be untradeable. cheers Conan: Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women.
Never dance with the Devil because a dance with the Devil could last you forever... -I thought what I'd do was,I'd Pretend I was one of those deaf mutes- Nullus Anxietas:) |
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" First off, if you think everyone who believes a separate self found league would be a bad idea is a troll then you're simply illustrating an unwillingness to look objectively at counter arguments (a trait quite common to forum trolls). That said, there is one overriding factor that I think makes a separate SFL a risky option. While you may not be advocating it, if you look through all of the posts throughout the forums that support SFL you'll find that a large majority of proponents are asking for increased drop rates of gear and orbs in exchange for removing trade. If you make a league with such increases you create a siren like lure. Realistically, what more effective lure can you make in a loot finding game than finding more loot? SFL would be the Pied Piper of PoE leagues. The risk this carries is severely damaging the game experience for those who do enjoy the trading game. Without a healthy supply of both buyers and sellers, you've effectively killed off a legitimate style of play. That's not what self found players should be aiming to do. Taking the disadvantage we currently experience and shoving it onto someone else is not the answer to whatever problem exists. If you take the idea self found play and remove the notion of increasing drops, then the devs and many opponents of SFL are absolutely right. There is no need as you can find that game play in the existing leagues. Without those increased drops that most every proponent asks for what is left as a reason for a separate league? All I can think of is the knowledge that everyone else has to play the same way you do. Some might find that an attractive notion, but I think such attitudes are bad for this, or any other, game and for gaming in general. In PoE there are, ostensibly, three paths for gear progression, looting, crafting, and trading. The problem isn't the fact that the third is in the list, the problem is the way the first two are tied to the third. Find a way to break that tie and you fix the problem in all leagues without the need for separation. Last edited by Thaelyn#0781 on Sep 2, 2013, 12:50:14 PM
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" You can't go with the number of players that go out of their way to come into this thread just to oppose it. That aside, I don't think GGG will make an extra league just for some hundred max players. It would be different if you could way more people to get vocal and support your idea. And with that I mean that you work out 1 set of rules that the league should have. Right now this thread has like 600 replies with maybe 300 unique posters and those 300 posters may as well have 40 different ideas how a self found league should be. You really think that will get GGG to make an extra league? If nothing works you can always wait until you can purchase leagues with your own ruleset. Make a pot where people chip in to keep it going and play your self found league that way. “Demons run when a good man goes to war" Last edited by Sneakypaw#3052 on Sep 2, 2013, 1:00:50 PM
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Am waiting to see exactly what custom leagues can offer.
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" I actually don't have any hope about GGG making a SFL league but I believe that this shouldn't be a reason for me to stay silent. I have an opinion regarding this subject, I also believe that those who want SFL league also have valid points, so why not support the cause? I really could understand GGG not making the league but the thing that bothers me most was attitude of Qarl regarding the subject. It really disappointed me and I also consider it as disrespectful to anyone who demanded SFL for quite some time. Personally I'm already waiting for the paid league option, hopefully its price will suit to my budget and I'll finally have the chance to experience the gameplay, I'm excitedly waiting. Since then or at least a dev finally decides to give relevant and informative response to the subject I'm here and supporting the cause.
My thoughts on the latest response from devs
Probably it's currently buried, shamelessly quoting myself.
" Rhys the Codewarrior, I really like you but what you do here is a reply schema that used mostly by trolls to derail subject. Jddogg has multiple posts in this thread and you specifiaclly chose to reply where he gave a bad example, which gave you a good opportunity to prove a valid point. The essence of what he tries to say is a whole different thing you de-railed the self-found discussion and started a new one to prove a point about PvP. You're not a ordinary person on the forums, when we see a dev post we have the expectation to see a valuable information but when considering this thread what we mostly get was useless talks and unintelligible/unrelated responses. Community interaction is always nice but please consider this before posting. " LOL, seriously? He was obviously talking about the part where I paraphrased your replies not the quote of Qarak. " No longer a forum dweller, please use PM for contact purposes.
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