Self-Found (League) [Thread outdated!]

oooo.... RMT conspiracy :)

Seriously though GGG if you are against RMT give us a SFL!

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Rhys wrote:

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Jddogg wrote:

Qarls reasoning was the equivalent of a game with a pvp server saying " were not making non pvp servers because you can just CHOOSE to not attack each other" It's the exact same ridiculous logic. IT makes NO sense.

If you're talking about non-consensual PvP, then your analogy doesn't work, because in that case it's impossible to play non-PvP because you can't stop others from attacking you, whereas with self-found, no-one can force you to trade with them. The two scenarios are very different.

If you're not talking about non-consensual PvP, then I don't see what the problem is. I don't see how players having the ability to PvP (if they want) is bad, since it doesn't affect those who aren't interested. I mean, we already have this functionality in the game right now.

Rhys the Codewarrior, I really like you but what you do here is a reply schema that used mostly by trolls to derail subject.

Jddogg has multiple posts in this thread and you specifiaclly chose to reply where he gave a bad example, which gave you a good opportunity to prove a valid point.

The essence of what he tries to say is a whole different thing you de-railed the self-found discussion and started a new one to prove a point about PvP.

You're not a ordinary person on the forums, when we see a dev post we have the expectation to see a valuable information but when considering this thread what we mostly get was useless talks and unintelligible/unrelated responses.

Community interaction is always nice but please consider this before posting.

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Qarl wrote:

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Jddogg wrote:

Completely agreee +1. I thought Qarls attitude in the post was rather rude and unnescessary for no reason. I also find the reasoning behind why we can't have the most demanded league in game is ridiculous.

Qarls reasoning was the equivalent of a game with a pvp server saying " were not making non pvp servers because you can just CHOOSE to not attack each other" It's the exact same ridiculous logic. IT makes NO sense.

Qarls post has COMPLETELY shot down ANY anticipation from me for new leagues... I expect only to be told we can't have it because we can MAKE that league ourselves in the standard league... which makes no goddamn sense at all. Literally. None.

The section you quote as being me is from a user called Qarak, who is nor me, and not a dev.

So if you are unhappy about what I have said, please quote which bits. If you are upset about what Qarak said, please don't attribute it to me.

LOL, seriously? He was obviously talking about the part where I paraphrased your replies not the quote of Qarak.

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ignarsoll wrote:

but when I get responses in the context of "LOL if you want to play self-found you can play in the current leagues" or "LEL you say shavrrone's are rare, I looked at statistics and use them if you want to be dead LeoOOOlLeELLL" from a dev, it makes me sad, dissapointed and I would rather call it stupid.

Woo finally Qarl [and Rhys] answered, giving us more nothingness!
lol

Bump of the morning ...

EDIT: good post ignar ^

I am with the Devs here.

You can play self-found already.

Most demanded league? Yeah maybe in the vocal minority.

As I see it, people just aren't happy with the overall droprates and think the fastest way to get their demands met is by dressing it up in an 'self-found' league with new droprates.

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Sneakypaw wrote:

As I see it, people just aren't happy with the overall droprates and think the fastest way to get their demands met is by dressing it up in an 'self-found' league with new droprates.

Even if that is true, what is your point? I mean, what you said does not make them WRONG, lol..

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Sneakypaw wrote:

I am with the Devs here.

You can play self-found already.

Most demanded league? Yeah maybe in the vocal minority.

As I see it, people just aren't happy with the overall droprates and think the fastest way to get their demands met is by dressing it up in an 'self-found' league with new droprates.

Lol seriously dude? with the you can already play self found crap.

Be real dude, people want to be on even terms... Why even have races if you can start a new character and play for an hour or two hours or w/e anyhow by that logic? Why have hardcore mode if you can delete your char if you die? Because people want equal terms to be enforced and because games by nature are COMPETITIVE. Very simple.

I think a selfound league would obviously have to include some changing of droprates, so no... it is NOT viable to play selffound now. Especially when battling RMT.

RMT couldn't exist in a selffound league and i think THAT is the big thing people want.
NO PAY TO PLAY.
Is it really that hard to understand? I'm sure someone is gunna come in and say "how does that affect your gameplay"

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Vakirauta wrote:

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Baskerville wrote:

but if they can, they'll be miles ahead.

This is exactly why you're forced into it. Who needs skill, devotion and patience when there's something called Luck?

I just hate everything being based upon luck, which is something I can't do anything about to change my gameplay experience.

Trade or stay where you are at for a long time, until luck strikes.

I have no problems with 'luck based progression', I have no problems with RNG. aRPGs would be pretty shitty without it.

What I do have a major fucking problem with, though, is the ways one can counter the RNG and the ways one can't.

It is true throughout the game, but becomes silly once at end game.
At end game, one can use combinations of the following to counter the RNG;
Trading.
Grouping.
Leeching.
Scamming.
RMTing.
Solo killing monsters.

Using any combination of these can get results. Using any single one* of these can get results, but won't be as successful as using a combination.

Except, the last one, the meat and drink of aRPG, the core of the H&S, what loot finders are all about, will not do shit, by itself, at end game.

*Accepting that inevitably, executing the spoils could also result in the solo killing of monsters as the end goal, rather than the preparation.

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Lol seriously dude? with the you can already play self found crap.

Yes I am.

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Be real dude, people want to be on even terms...

People already are on even terms. Everything Player XY can do you can do too. And no matter if you have higher droprates or cannot trade, People that play more than you will most likely have more wealth than you and have higher level Characters.

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Why even have races if you can start a new character and play for an hour or two hours or w/e anyhow by that logic?

Because races have their own ladder.

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Why have hardcore mode if you can delete your char if you die?

Because the HC league has a 'cleaner' ecconomy. Sure people in Standart can decide to delete their characters on death, but since people aren't forced to there is no way to prevent the flooding with High-End items. Also this is totally diffrent than choosing to play selffound because if you choose to do so you are not affected by the ecconomy.

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Because people want equal terms to be enforced and because games by nature are COMPETITIVE. Very simple.

Again, there are already equal terms. Tell me something that is unequal at the moment.

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I think a selfound league would obviously have to include some changing of droprates, so no... it is NOT viable to play selffound now. Especially when battling RMT.

I play self-found and I am fine with the current droprates. Then again, I don't have ludicrous expectations what drops i should get or regarding crafting like some people seem to have. Also balance changes around RMT are bad balance changes.

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RMT couldn't exist in a selffound league and i think THAT is the big thing people want.
NO PAY TO PLAY.

You have to take RMT out of your equasions. RMT is not supported by GGG and not part of the game itself.

@sneakypaw

One of your points was that you need a hardcore league because the economy is 'cleaner' there so you dont end up grouping with other people who HAVE died and such.

The thing is, self found does not actually HAVE TO BE SOLO.

Which means the standard league or anarchy leagues cant be substituted for it either.

Cant have self found players grouping with trading players.

It would contaminate it, you see?

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MierenEronaile wrote:

@sneakypaw

One of your points was that you need a hardcore league because the economy is 'cleaner' there so you dont end up grouping with other people who HAVE died and such.

The thing is, self found does not actually HAVE TO BE SOLO.

Which means the standard league or anarchy leagues cant be substituted for it either.

Cant have self found players grouping with trading players.

It would contaminate it, you see?

Is it truly self found if you play in groups? The loot that drops is affected by the IIQ and IIR of other players in the group and so it's not what 'you' found, but what 'the group' found.

I am not saying that what you say is not valid reasoning, I just try to understand where your definition of 'self found' stops.