Self-Found (League) [Thread outdated!]

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Finkenstein wrote:

Hi

1+ SFL

SFL is for people that are interested in the experience of the game minus all the trading and ladders. SFL is to attempt to bridge the crafting orb-drop gap and really think about it would you use the exalt that has dropped the first time in weeks or trade it for a guaranteed wicked item?

SFL would encourage players to craft/gamble more and exhibit some more fundamental issues with this game. This is why I suggest SFL league guidelines to see a general consensus that eventually will be read by a GGG dev because when a player/dev thinks about it enough they will realize there is 3 main types of players and equally should be 3 types of ''standard play'', HC,Standard, and SFL. SFL is the cross between HC and Standard, players don't lose their characters but they can't trade and must quest to find these items or if my final suggestion is followed, usage of new recipes and orbs can be attempted in this league which after testing could, later bring to the rest of POE. Players in SFL will be able to craft with that exalt without worrying about what ''deal'' they could've acquired instead.

SFL:1)No trades with other players.2)No mf rolls on blue or yellow items.3)Increased orb drops NOT items.4)No party benefits, permanent loot allocation.5) New recipes and specialized orbs.

Subversus

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What you SFL people want is to be on equal footing with people who use all aspects of the game available to the player to improve their characters. Trading is a part of the game of path of exile. If you're trading, you're playing the game.

Why should you people get the same reward for less effort?

Again, this entire argument is a waste of time considering that the game is already both playable and enjoyable in this way.

If it's not enjoyable for you because you don't have better gear than you have, then you should play the game in the way the devs intended.

SO your cool with believing that devs want a player to only: stack mf, never craft, and always trade their orbs? Fuck me, ignorance is bliss aye, Subversus? seems like you missed the point of this game and that makes no sense to me either.

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Subversus wrote:

What you've somehow extracted from my post, is exaggerated nonsense.

The devs planned on you using MF / trading / partying / crafting at your leisure.

Why can't a player play self-found 95% of the time but utilize the various tools available to get that certain reduction in difficulty that they apparently so desperately need? This argument doesn't have to be so black and white.

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Qarl wrote:

I can give my current thoughts on self found.

In the existing leagues, there is nothing stopping anyone from playing self-found, and we know many of our players do. We also have players that only engage rarely with other players, trading and partying occasionally.

So, as you can play self found in an existing league, I doubt we need to separate out the leagues. The question then is, are there progression problems with self found. I think there are two parts to this:

Can you play through self found? Currently there are issues with this, especially around the 40s. One of the main problems here is the availability of 4-linked items. Gear progression gets hard here, as replacement gear requires both beating existing gear in stats, and in skill support. This isn't usually an issue earlier, as you aren't needing full skill sets, and can skimp on stats and still progress quickly.

If we are going to make changes, it will likely be on the ability to make or the availability of 4 linked items.


The second issue is, what is the player expectation of self-found play. In general the main issue comes when players look to the top of ladders and to streamers to direct what their play experience would be like. This gives players a very distorted view of what they should be able to achieve. In general these players are pushing every advantage they can from trade, long play, group play.

Often, when I get told - "everyone is doing X", and I have a look, there are often only a handful of people doing, its just often these are the most visible. An example of this is 6-link Shavronne's. If I look at over level 90 characters, in all leagues, played in the last month, well under 50 players have Shavronne's Wrappings equipped. And if I look at the stats, if you want to die, wear a Shavronne's.

We will not be making a league to make it possible to replicate the play of these players. 1) We don't think its needed. 2) From past experience, if we make accommodations to make it possible to replicate these players, these players will still beat you. If we made a self found league with competitive advantages but solo play, you'll see the same players on top of those leagues, and we'll get a new set of complaints from people who want to replicate the achievements without the same investment.

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sempuken wrote:

I just....really do not understand how a self-found league would be any different than just not trading in standard...

I really dont..

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sempuken wrote:

I just....really do not understand how a self-found league would be any different than just not trading in standard...

I really dont..

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Veta1991 wrote:

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sempuken wrote:

I just....really do not understand how a self-found league would be any different than just not trading in standard...

I really dont..

The reasoning is the same behind why there's a softcore and hardcore league. If you play not to die in a softcore league it will put you at a disadvantage to players who leverage that they can die. In the same way, if you play self-found or without arbitrage it will put you at a disadvantage to players who trade and exploit arbitrage opportunity.

What it comes down to is how you must play to play optimally. Trading and arbitrage is part of optimal play on standard leagues. Good lucky being competitive without it.

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Subversus wrote:

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Veta1991 wrote:

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sempuken wrote:

I just....really do not understand how a self-found league would be any different than just not trading in standard...

I really dont..

The reasoning is the same behind why there's a softcore and hardcore league. If you play not to die in a softcore league it will put you at a disadvantage to players who leverage that they can die. In the same way, if you play self-found or without arbitrage it will put you at a disadvantage to players who trade and exploit arbitrage opportunity.

What it comes down to is how you must play to play optimally. Trading and arbitrage is part of optimal play on standard leagues. Good lucky being competitive without it.

If you want to play completely self-found, then the argument you've just presented is silly, considering that any competition would boil down to luck with RNG. This is a very volatile recipe for competition, because even if they buffed drop and crafting rates 1000%, some people are still gonna get a lot more lucky with RNG and smash you.

Your points about arbitrage are not based on the reality of the game. Trading doesn't have to be staring at and cycling through trade chat for hours. Anyone who's taken 10 minutes to educate themselves about the tools for trade that are already available (forums/xyz) can spend the next 10 minutes finding exactly what they're looking for.