Self-Found (League) [Thread outdated!]

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silvershadows wrote:

If you care about your players please realize that for some of us, trading in an arpg is an irreconcilable evil. It makes us view our resources and loot from the point of view of what are they worth to others, to treat drops as a commodity and some of us just don't enjoy that mentality but it is thrust on us nonetheless.

What is disturbing, silver, is that this view, the original aRPG play style, is seen as so alien nowadays.

It really is sad.

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AintCare wrote:

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well played sir.. well played

Haha, thank you :)

As i looked back on my post the day after i even thought i made a threadkilla..

Happy to see it instead spawned a pic of a lovely OP magic card, and discussion continued as if nothing happened. ;)

Come to think of it, i'd like the Wall of Text to be able to block landwalkers as though they didnt have the line of text.

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silvershadows wrote:

Hardcore players could have simply stopped playing a character when it died in normal league and started a new one..... That didn't stop you guys from giving them a separate league though that enforced HC rules. Why should the fact that we "can" play self found in normal stop you from giving us a self found league that enforces a self-found ruleset like you gave HC players their own league?

A thought occurred to me as I read this particular portion of your post, shadows. Right now a hardcore player in standard has nothing to prevent him from getting the maximum enjoyment from his preferred playstyle except his own lack of discipline. The same cannot be said for self found players. Self found players have the deck stacked against them by design. GGG has erected barriers to our play style and says "you can already do that". Hardcore players, on the other hand, face no such barriers yet GGG believes their play style worthy of special consideration.

Definitely an interesting thought, but not one that bodes well for any improvement to self found play. It suggests a dim view of the play style on the part of the developers, as can be seen by Qarl's posts.

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silvershadows

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Someone who had only played for 20 hours would not have enough experience to even understand the majority of what is being discussed here. The people asking for this are clearly people who have put some time into this game.

This is quite true to me initially a lot of new players won't see this issue.

Thaelyn

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A thought occurred to me as I read this particular portion of your post, shadows. Right now a hardcore player in standard has nothing to prevent him from getting the maximum enjoyment from his preferred playstyle except his own lack of discipline. The same cannot be said for self found players. Self found players have the deck stacked against them by design. GGG has erected barriers to our play style and says "you can already do that". Hardcore players, on the other hand, face no such barriers yet GGG believes their play style worthy of special consideration.

Exactly what I have noticed there is 3 groups of players in this game:traders,HC's and SFLers and SFLers are getting fucked up the arse, the dirty secret in the corner.

As I wrote before I am sure GGG will thoroughly address this after the full release.

Till then: 1+SFL

SFL:1)No trades with other players.2)No mf rolls on blue or yellow items.3)Increased orb drops NOT items.4)Permanent loot allocation,no party benefits.5)New recipes and specialized orbs

cheers to all with the continual belief in SFL

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ToxicRatt wrote:

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I don't get it. POE has tons of leagues, and say they cater to the hardcore games who like to find things their own way.

If people are asking for a self found league let them have it. If it gets challenging to progress, then maybe it will just be more fun for them.

Saying to 'just do it in standard' doesn't cut it because it will create a huge gap in DPS, MF and every other advantage imaginable, but a league would make the playing field equal.

And the ELEPAHNT in the room that is not being talked about is, it would eliminate RMT which is a HUGE.

Is the problem that you want ladders for SFL? Is it that you want to show that you are the best with ONLY SFL (aka, you can play the game the most)

I really don't get this disparity. I VERY rarely trade, and have tons of fun. I enjoy the slow progression and won't hit endgame as fast as if I traded and flipped like on the D3 auction house (because it made the game EZ mode, I like this one the way it is)


I don't understand ANY of your arguments. If you want more orbs, sell your SF weapons and stuff for other classes for orbs... to use... Is it just that you are sad that someone who is flipping will always have more dps/mf/whatever than you because you CHOOSE not to abuse the same mechanics? Don't act like SF people don't abuse mechanics... you do. Everyone that gets ahead does.

I really don't get any of what this is about.

SFL kills RMT and GGG is still against SFL.

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Qarl wrote:

I thought I'd also note, when I see part of the problem is a perception that people feel they need what the most time invested players have, I am not saying "you are all just entitled". I am saying, this is an actual problem we have, and we want to find out why we have this signalling issue.

It may be a just a perception issue and you made a great point about that in your initial posting in this thread. The problem here is that if you are NOT a full time streamer/gamer, streamers being something you also illustrated is a highly visible but also minority of the player base. If you are not, it often seems like the game unfairly nerfs drop rates in order to keep pace with those players, who often get bored and leave the game early anyway. I am a person who has played entirely self found and only traded currency to relieve overstock in alts/chroms, and who has complained. I have yet to gear a single player for 69+ maps and have never even seen a 6L, and its not through lack of trying.

So I understand the point you made and you're probably right. You guys are pretty smart and I'm no game designer. And I do understand that if you make drops too common then the game becomes way too easy. But there is still a bad taste left in ones mouth when they play countless hours and end up with 60 stash tabs full of mediocre crap while stories of streamer x or racer y dying and losing their 5th 6L this month roll around constantly. And I'm not really sure where there is a middle ground or if there even is one, but there certainly are contrasting realities to this subject.

Word of note, currency drops seem fine its gear drops that seem brutal and quirky, 6Ls just feel impossible for me. Leveling gear I have for days.. and scrolls, my scroll RNG is pretty good. http://imgur.com/0Rlqj25