Self-Found (League) [Thread outdated!]

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Wraeclastian wrote:

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phrazz wrote:

No, you can't. That's the point. You can't PLAY this way already. You can TRY to play this way, but the drop rates are too low to make your char progress.

This game is designed with trading in mind. You are meant to be trading - making a self found player a forever grinding idiot, due to the need of 2000+ fusings and 1000+ chromatics a must for progression.

With todays drop rates, how many in game hours will it take to get 2000 fusings?

Anywhore, there are A LOT of players who do not want to trade, but is forced to, due to the lack of drops. Are these players worth less than others?

Straight up lies, son. Obviously, the game is going to be more difficult if you don't trade, and grinding for drops is what ARPG's like this are all about. There are plenty of people who play self-found already and don't bitch about it. You don't really want a self-found league, you want an ez-mode league. If GGG has any sense they might tweak the drop rates a little but they won't add an ez-mode self-found league.

It really depends on what you want from the game, sir. A SFL would actually be VASTLY more difficult than the current leagues, the difference would be that everyone playing it would be doing it without trade and purely off their own drops.

I like equality in the people im playing with personally.

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MierenEronaile wrote:

It really depends on what you want from the game, sir. A SFL would actually be VASTLY more difficult than the current leagues, the difference would be that everyone playing it would be doing it without trade and purely off their own drops.

I like equality in the people im playing with personally.

It might be slightly more difficult to progress to endgame maps and such but other than that it would just take a little extra time farming.

If you like equality with the people you are playing with, then form a group of friends and only play with one another. Otherwise, you will never be able to keep up with the no-lifers who spend 10+ hours a day playing and your equality goes right out the window.

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MierenEronaile wrote:

I like equality in the people im playing with personally.

You won't get that in SFL. People who roll MF builds, and people who grinded for weeks and reached end-game maps with MF gear will still be way more time efficient than you. It won't even let you use exalted orbs without feeling bad about it either, since top players will still use them way more efficiently. And god forbid you ever get a mirror on SFL.

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Novalisk wrote:

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MierenEronaile wrote:

I like equality in the people im playing with personally.

You won't get that in SFL. People who roll MF builds, and people who grinded for weeks and reached end-game maps with MF gear will still be way more time efficient than you. It won't even let you use exalted orbs without feeling bad about it either, since top players will still use them way more efficiently. And god forbid you ever get a mirror on SFL.

No they wont. I am one of those people.

Also, I see some pretty obvious uses if I happened to get a mirror, mostly for a 6l chest once I have one, especially if I want to use it for multiple characters as well as my main. Mirror the mains colors(especially if it required weird colors for the item type) and then you are all good to mess around with the original.

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Wraeclastian wrote:

You don't really want a self-found league, you want an ez-mode league. .

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Wraeclastian wrote:

It might be slightly more difficult to progress to endgame maps and such but other than that it would just take a little extra time farming.

So, which is it, easier or more difficult? Do you even know, have you ever played sefl-found to end-game or for any part of the game?

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Novalisk wrote:

It wouldn't address them at all for people who want a better self-found experience on standard, hardcore, new softcore ladder, and new hardcore ladder.

Fixing the main game and creating SFL are totally separate issues. As GGG seem to want a trading game, I don't see them ever accommodating those of us who wish for SFL, in the main leagues, with anything other than lip service.

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Novalisk wrote:

You won't get that in SFL. People who roll MF builds, and people who grinded for weeks and reached end-game maps with MF gear will still be way more time efficient than you. It won't even let you use exalted orbs without feeling bad about it either, since top players will still use them way more efficiently. And god forbid you ever get a mirror on SFL

I can't speak for everyone who wants SFL but you only have to read through the main SFL threads to see the majority don't give a damn about others abilities or achievements. Most also don't care about ladders either. As far as exalts and mirrors, what do you think people will do with those - or any other 'crafting' item - in a league where trading is disabled, just sit on them and worry! Stop applying the trading game play style to SFL, they require completely different mind-sets.

a mirror in a sfl could still have use... mirroring a one handed weapon or a ring. or you could mirror a 6L and use it on different characters... i could think of plenty of uses..

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Kellog wrote:

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Novalisk wrote:

It wouldn't address them at all for people who want a better self-found experience on standard, hardcore, new softcore ladder, and new hardcore ladder.

Fixing the main game and creating SFL are totally separate issues. As GGG seem to want a trading game, I don't see them ever accommodating those of us who wish for SFL, in the main leagues, with anything other than lip service.

A trading game doesn't necessarily mean trading will be more profitable than playing, nor does it mean hours of trading in order to sell your items. It can mean you simply put items you don't need up on sale effortlessly, and someone who does need them may offer you crafting materials for it. Trading isn't very good now, but don't take it as an indication of what trading is, especially considering GGG has been talking about a trade revamp for a while.

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Kellog wrote:

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Novalisk wrote:

You won't get that in SFL. People who roll MF builds, and people who grinded for weeks and reached end-game maps with MF gear will still be way more time efficient than you. It won't even let you use exalted orbs without feeling bad about it either, since top players will still use them way more efficiently. And god forbid you ever get a mirror on SFL

I can't speak for everyone who wants SFL but you only have to read through the main SFL threads to see the majority don't give a damn about others abilities or achievements. Most also don't care about ladders either.

How else would people experience "slow progress" without comparing themselves to others?

If the game is built in a way that forces you to farm docks and lunaris instead of progressing into maps, with the only alternative being spamming tradechat and maintaining forum threads, then that's a problem with the game that should be addressed by an actual solution (and according to GGG's recent words about changing MF and revamping trading they are working on it).

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Kellog wrote:

As far as exalts and mirrors, what do you think people will do with those - or any other 'crafting' item - in a league where trading is disabled, just sit on them and worry! Stop applying the trading game play style to SFL, they require completely different mind-sets.

Yes, you will sit on exalts until you get an item that's "worthy" of exalting. you won't suddenly use exalts on mediocre gear just because you can't trade exalts away.
Mirrors would be close to useless, since the whole point of them is to duplicate gear from other players. Unless you're dual wielding (i guess rings work too) there's almost no point in using a mirror in self-found since you can just transfer gear to your alts. It would be incredibly frustrating to get a mirror in SFL.

Are there even that many people still playing PoE at any given time as there are replies in this thread? :-D

@Novalisk

Im not sure if you read it, but I did point out that mirroring a chest to preserve, say, 5 or 6 off colors you farmed for months to get but now want to use the chest for alts would be a viable use of a mirror in SFL.

As well as the two you mentioned, that makes three pretty useful options for a mirror even in SFL.

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MierenEronaile wrote:

@Novalisk

Im not sure if you read it, but I did point out that mirroring a chest to preserve, say, 5 or 6 off colors you farmed for months to get but now want to use the chest for alts would be a viable use of a mirror in SFL.

As well as the two you mentioned, that makes three pretty useful options for a mirror even in SFL.

That's still a very niche use. Those 3 combined don't even begin to compare to the power of Mirror in other leagues.