Self-Found (League) [Thread outdated!]

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Wraeclastian wrote:

The number of people who actually want a self-found league are probably 1% of the population at most.

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Wraeclastian wrote:

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Thaelyn wrote:

What about incremental equates to godly in your mind? Are you even able to think critically, or are you one of the mindless morons who can't seem to think past the end of his nose?

It is sad that you have to resort to personal attacks because people don't agree with your way of thinking.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Wraeclastian wrote:

The number of people who actually want a self-found league are probably 1% of the population at most.

People said the same kind of thing about people who were against the old competitive looting system.

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Qarl wrote:

I can give my current thoughts on self found.

In the existing leagues, there is nothing stopping anyone from playing self-found, and we know many of our players do. We also have players that only engage rarely with other players, trading and partying occasionally.

So, as you can play self found in an existing league, I doubt we need to separate out the leagues. The question then is, are there progression problems with self found. I think there are two parts to this:

Can you play through self found? Currently there are issues with this, especially around the 40s. One of the main problems here is the availability of 4-linked items. Gear progression gets hard here, as replacement gear requires both beating existing gear in stats, and in skill support. This isn't usually an issue earlier, as you aren't needing full skill sets, and can skimp on stats and still progress quickly.

If we are going to make changes, it will likely be on the ability to make or the availability of 4 linked items.


The second issue is, what is the player expectation of self-found play. In general the main issue comes when players look to the top of ladders and to streamers to direct what their play experience would be like. This gives players a very distorted view of what they should be able to achieve. In general these players are pushing every advantage they can from trade, long play, group play.

Often, when I get told - "everyone is doing X", and I have a look, there are often only a handful of people doing, its just often these are the most visible. An example of this is 6-link Shavronne's. If I look at over level 90 characters, in all leagues, played in the last month, well under 50 players have Shavronne's Wrappings equipped. And if I look at the stats, if you want to die, wear a Shavronne's.

We will not be making a league to make it possible to replicate the play of these players. 1) We don't think its needed. 2) From past experience, if we make accommodations to make it possible to replicate these players, these players will still beat you. If we made a self found league with competitive advantages but solo play, you'll see the same players on top of those leagues, and we'll get a new set of complaints from people who want to replicate the achievements without the same investment.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

SFL posters I don't understand:
TheAnuhart (no one confuses me more)

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Wraeclastian wrote:

The 5 advocates for a self-found league who keep bumping the thread in hopes of GGG putting it in the game isn't going to make a difference.

A self-found league would neither help or fix anything.

I would rather GGG put time and resources into fixing things like desync before wasting time on a league that isn't needed.

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Wraeclastian wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

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Wraeclastian wrote:

The number of people who actually want a self-found league are probably 1% of the population at most.

People said the same kind of thing about people who were against the old competitive looting system.

The loot fiasco was a real issue, unlike the need for a self-found league. There was also a lot more people interested in seeing a change on both the forums and in-game.

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Thaelyn wrote:

Wraeclastian and Reinhart.

People who want better self found play want it because the game presents you with roadblocks that are all but insurmountable without trade or a dose of luck akin to hitting a powerball jackpot. We want a way to get around these roadblocks to continue enjoying the game without having to buy our progress in game or facing an utterly demoralizing slog through hundreds of hours of the same content hoping to get a lucky drop that usually never comes. It's not being jealous of people who post on the forums or of streamers. It's about making measurable, even if incremental, progress toward whatever goals we set for ourselves in game.

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iamstryker wrote:

There are regular threads complaining about bad crafting/RNG and poor drop rates. Also plenty complaining about trading. You can consider most of these threads to be people who would support a self found league.