Self-Found (League) [Thread outdated!]

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Reinhart wrote:

No one obliges you to trade with anyone. This game can perfectly be played solo if you truly desire. Close trade channel. Close general channel. And there is your solution.

I can hardly put as much time into this game as the majority of players. Yet I don't complain.

The point isn't being forced to trade but that trading is the obvious way to go. Orbs are mostly just currency because using them is generally a bad call. Saving your orbs for the item that you want is much smarter than using them up and not being able to afford good upgrades.

The game can be played self found, but that doesn't mean its actually fun to do it that way.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

iamstriker (and with hatred; if he ever asks I could elaborate)

Please spell my name correctly. What do you mean with hatred?

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Wraeclastian wrote:

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MierenEronaile wrote:

@Wraeclastian

Yep, telling the devs what we think would be good for the game to have during the games fucking Beta is useless.

Right.

Some people...

You have to remember that the people on the forums represent a very small percentage of the players. The number of people who actually want a self-found league are probably 1% of the population at most.

67% of statistics are made up.

The fact you think that a forum topic with this much input and discussion is only constituted by 1% of the playing population just illustrates that you are either deluded, willfully ignorant or trolling. It is true only a subset of the players participate in the forum discussions. It is probably also true that of those that do only a subset of those favor a SFL. However I suspect that alot of those would prefer to see the flaws in the trading, economy and progression corrected rather than a separate SFL.

I think the critical fault in game progression currently, trading or otherwise, is that there is several brick walls that result in a requirement to clear low level areas for vendor sales to produce currency. Ultimately a reasonable amount of this would be acceptable, but this seems to be excessive at the moment.

In addition to this. There is no "progression" when using currency yourself. Gathering currency and then using it yourself could ultimately just result in you still being in the same place or behind where you started. On the other hand gathering currency and then trading has guaranteed progression path. Fixing this would probably fix a large amount of the issues and requests for SFL if that is what GGG would prefer.

I think this would best describe SFL progression in current leagues
1. Work all day for $200
2. Go to the casino and play the pokies for 20mins spending all your hard earned cash in the hopes that you win a new pair of socks.
3. If you win socks the socks that you win are a size to big and they are white spots socks instead of black business socks. Take them to the cashier and sell then for 1c.

Alternative.
1. Work all day for $200
2. Stand in the middle of the City and yell at the top of you voice, for 4 hours, that you want to buy a pair of black business socks.
3. When a guy turns up, hope you can talk him down from $400 to $5 which is what they are worth.
4. Fail. Repeat
5. 3 days latter the same guy starts following you around asking if you still want to buy his socks.

Hopefully people can see why an SFL is so attractive for people that wish to avoid the 2 above situations. Both of these take way to much time and detract from me killing zombies and skeletons which I consider more fun. The above 2 scenarios are IMO not enjoyable.

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Ozsmeg wrote:

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You don't want a self-found league. You just want better drop rates.

Wraeclastian and Reinhart.

The principle point of those wanting self found play improvements (whether through a new league or adjustments to existing ones), by and large has nothing to do with being "on equal footing" with other players who trade or play more. Granted, there are likely some who support the ideas for those reasons, but they do not represent the majority motivation on the matter.

People who want better self found play want it because the game presents you with roadblocks that are all but insurmountable without trade or a dose of luck akin to hitting a powerball jackpot. We want a way to get around these roadblocks to continue enjoying the game without having to buy our progress in game or facing an utterly demoralizing slog through hundreds of hours of the same content hoping to get a lucky drop that usually never comes. It's not being jealous of people who post on the forums or of streamers. It's about making measurable, even if incremental, progress toward whatever goals we set for ourselves in game.

Right now the game doesn't support us doing that in any meaningful way. Yes, it's a game about grinding, but what we're after is a steep hill upon which we can continue to climb even if at a slow pace. Right now all we have is a treadmill that keeps us stationary.

That's why "just don't trade" isn't the answer.

There is nothing wrong with the current system and all I see are complaints because it is difficult to get godly drops.

You all want that godly gear but don't want to put in the time or effort.

The smart people don't complain and just make a character that focuses on IIQ/IIR to farm. Why can't you do the same?

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Wraeclastian wrote:

There is nothing wrong with the current system and all I see are complaints because it is difficult to get godly drops.

You all want that godly gear but don't want to put in the time or effort.

The smart people don't complain and just make a character that focuses on IIQ/IIR to farm. Why can't you do the same?

What about incremental equates to godly in your mind? Are you even able to think critically, or are you one of the mindless morons who can't seem to think past the end of his nose?

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Thaelyn wrote:

What about incremental equates to godly in your mind? Are you even able to think critically, or are you one of the mindless morons who can't seem to think past the end of his nose?

It is sad that you have to resort to personal attacks because people don't agree with your way of thinking.

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Wraeclastian wrote:

There is nothing wrong with the current system and all I see are complaints because it is difficult to get godly drops.

You all want that godly gear but don't want to put in the time or effort.

The smart people don't complain and just make a character that focuses on IIQ/IIR to farm. Why can't you do the same?

This is why you shouldn't stereotype. Making assumptions doesn't help anything and further blocks real discussion.

FYI, your above post is just a nicer way to personally attack people you disagree with.

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Wraeclastian wrote:

There is nothing wrong with the current system and all I see are complaints because it is difficult to get godly drops.

You all want that godly gear but don't want to put in the time or effort.

The smart people don't complain and just make a character that focuses on IIQ/IIR to farm. Why can't you do the same?

I don't want godly drops sir. I leveled to 88 in anarchy with self used all currency on maps. You don't need godly gear to play end game. All you need is max resists and decent def or don't die to stupid shit and you will level easy.

For me I want self found for ladder ranking. RMT kinda kills it a little bit knowing many people who buy shit for mapping. Once you see who hang in this game year after year like d2 was. It's about ladder my friend.

Here is my ranger set of gear which I did currently switch gems to alt and sold my chest and bow cause not playing anymore trying to see if I like another spec to new league.

But this gear lasted me the entire 4 months off and on again playing many alts and onslaught as well.

Had a 5-6 link chest and lionseyes which I don't have anymore. But the rings and ammy I had found lvling got awesome rolls for ilvl 40-50ish, played solo or with other person mapping.

The 5 advocates for a self-found league who keep bumping the thread in hopes of GGG putting it in the game isn't going to make a difference.

A self-found league would neither help or fix anything.

I would rather GGG put time and resources into fixing things like desync before wasting time on a league that isn't needed.