Consolidated Feedback After A Year Of Playing

In regards to uniques like Shavronnes that are commonly considered imbalanced, people have been throwing back in forth the idea that people that do not have the chest want it nerfed because they are jealous and think they will never get one or that people that do have the chest are simply trying to protect their investment and do not want to see the currency that they spent on it go down the drain if the chest or build is somehow nerfed. Ask yourself which one of these scenarios is more likely?

How many players are there that really think that they will never get a Shavronnes and are soooo jealous that they would go out of their way to ask for a nerf?

How many players are there that own Shavronnes and are defending it to the tooth because they spent more than 30-50 exalted orbs getting one or even more than one?

For me the answer is obvious. I really cannot imagine how many players out there are so incredibly jealous that they are seriously arguing for a nerf ONLY because they don't have one. I find that to be completley retarded. Any player who would do that probably won't stay for long regardless of what the devs do because he probably isn't enjoying the game at all. I really doubt there are very many legitimate players who actually think that they will NEVER get a Shavronnes so therefore do not want other people to have that kind of power. I know that I will get one someday but that doesn't change my beliefs about it.

But people who own Shavronnes. I completely understand why they are bias. If I spent that kind of currency on it then It would be hard for me to remain unbias as well, I can admit that. People like being overpowered, its one of the main draws of a game like this. I'm sure there are some people who have it and can still put their feelings aside to give it an honest critique but I believe there are far more who own the chest and won't say anything against it not because they think that its balanced but because they want to protect their investment.
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Last edited by iamstryker#5952 on Aug 24, 2013, 7:00:30 PM
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Xendran wrote:
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nynyny wrote:
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Xendran wrote:
Found the answer: He's a low life shavronne's user trying to keep the immense superiority over other people that use life builds.


What makes your opinion, as a person who is not using the robe, less biased (which is apprently what youre implying)?


You just claimed that ES being better than life is an opinion.
I don't have to say anything more.

Might wanna quote that? I remember myself saying that they will never be 100% equal because its something that is impossible to achieve.

Let alone that I dont really get what that has to do with me using Shavs.
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iamstryker wrote:

How many players are there that own Shavronnes and are defending it to the tooth because they spent more than 30-50 exalted orbs getting one or even more than one?

For me the answer is obvious. I really cannot imagine how many players out there are so incredibly jealous that they are seriously arguing for a nerf ONLY because they don't have one. I find that to be completley retarded. Any player who would do that probably won't stay for long regardless of what the devs do because he probably isn't enjoying the game at all. I really doubt there are very many legitimate players who actually think that they will NEVER get a Shavronnes so therefore do not want other people to have that kind of power. I know that I will get one someday but that doesn't change my beliefs about it.

But people who own Shavronnes. I completely understand why they are bias. If I spent that kind of currency on it then It would be hard for me to remain unbias as well, I can admit that. People like being overpowered, its one of the main draws of a game like this. I'm sure there are some people who have it and can still put their feelings aside to give it an honest critique but I believe there are far more who own the chest and won't say anything against it not because they think that its balanced but because they want to protect their investment.

Havent read something that naive in quite a while.
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nynyny wrote:

Havent read something that naive in quite a while.


If you don't think that's true of some players then your the one being naive.

I also could have added players who instead of defending Shavronnes just stay out of the topic altogether. They might believe it to be imbalanced so they won't defend it but they won't say anything against it either.
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iamstryker wrote:
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nynyny wrote:

Havent read something that naive in quite a while.


If you don't think that's true of some players then your the one being naive.

I also could have added players who instead of defending Shavronnes just stay out of the topic altogether. They might believe it to be imbalanced so they won't defend it but they won't say anything against it either.

Youre a person who believes that people should be rewarded for their lack of dedication and get access to items they cant be bothered farming for. Why do you think your assumptions have any value?

Youre the definition of what is wrong with gaming.
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nynyny wrote:


Youre the definition of what is wrong with gaming.



What is your definition of gaming?
Sometimes you can take the game out of the garage but you can't take the garage out of the game.
- raics, 06.08.2016

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nynyny wrote:

Youre a person who believes that people should be rewarded for their lack of dedication and get access to items they cant be bothered farming for. Why do you think your assumptions have any value?

Youre the definition of what is wrong with gaming.


You appear to be completely sidestepping everything I just said by blindly attacking something you don't really know anything about. I have never said that people should be rewarded for lack of dedication and get access to items that they can't be bothered to farm for. What I said was that I do not believe that one build in this game should be imbalanced and locked behind RNG. I believe all builds should be equally accessible. This belief is completely different then what your trying to make it seem.

You and I have different belief systems about this game but that doesn't negate the arguments I was just making about people who defend or do not defend Shavronnes.

p.s. your statement that I am whats wrong with gaming is hilarious, thanks.
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JohnNamikaze wrote:
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nynyny wrote:


Youre the definition of what is wrong with gaming.



What is your definition of gaming?

Should have read the sentence properly before responding.

I simply dont think people should be rewarded for being lazy, which is the case here. Shavronnes it self isnt the problem, its RF and dual totem builds. If you actually played around with the item you would know that but most people think they are in the position to have an opinion even though they lack experience.

You want something? You farm for it.
You cant be bothered farming for it? Then shut your mouth and move on.

He is one of the people who demand better accessibility for end game items, something that is completely retarded. Thats not how life works and its not how games should work, or at least not how this one should work.

The fact that there a shit ton of people who farmed the currency for Shavs multiple times shows pretty well that there are 3 groups of people.

RMTers, who are way smaller than most people think
dedicated players
undedicated players

Guess what group 95% of the people whining about Shavronnes are part of. They dont even get that changing Shavronnes doesnt change anything about RF, or maybe just dont want to admit it because they want to use it themselves as soon as a cheap alternative was released.
Last edited by nynyny#3398 on Aug 24, 2013, 7:23:39 PM
Way to turn this otherwise interesting feedback thread into a pile of shit guys. GJ.
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nynyny wrote:

Should have read the sentence properly before responding.

I simply dont think people should be rewarded for being lazy, which is the case here. Shavronnes it self isnt the problem, its RF and dual totem builds. If you actually played around with the item you would know that but most people think they are in the position to have an opinion even though they lack experience.

You want something? You farm for it.
You cant be bothered farming for it? Then shut your mouth and move on?



You brought up the "definition" argument, so easy there, mi amigo.



Well, my definition is slightly different from yours. I believe that not everything should be given in a silver platter, but at the same time, I believe the reward should come with "good effort."


Though, some would take it to the extreme of what is "good effort." Some would say 1 hour (lazies) and some would say 1000+ hours (crazies), and like me and probably others would say about 100-300 hours (realist or at least reasonable folks).








Alright, this needs to back on-topic.


Sometimes you can take the game out of the garage but you can't take the garage out of the game.
- raics, 06.08.2016

Last edited by JohnNamikaze#6516 on Aug 24, 2013, 7:30:25 PM

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