Ice Shot

Well i havent mentionned or maybe have been misunderstood

I am talking about ice shot with the elemental weapon damage support, wich physical damage dont get any increase from. (considering i do not have any others increase damage of any form.)

So does the cone is recalculated with the support gem cause its now full cold, or it just do an aoe cone that deal as much dmg as the hit but with phys removed and added as cold, without getting modified by the gem? I don't know if im clear enough =/

since the aoe is determined by the hit damage and nothing else i think it would go:

on a 100 dmg hit:

base ice shot dmg: (Phys 60 + Cold 40) = 100 mixed dmg

With the Elem Weap Damage(75%): (Phys 60, Cold 40*(1.75)= 70) = Total 130 mixed damage

Cone dmg (Determined by hit dmg, it isnt weapon dmg itself):

60 + 70 = 130 total cold cone damage.

so it would mean that weapon elemental damage is not that good for this spell, but i may be wrong

you are, because its convert. converting keeps old damage type. so the SoE is still weapon damage and it is elemental damage too (still).
hit = 60% physical + 40% cold * 1.75 weapon elemental support
AoE = 100% cold * 1.75

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Vipermagi wrote:

The cone is an entirely separate calculation. Both Soul's and my calculations start with the Base damage for the Cone, ignoring all calculations done for the initial hit.
Weapon Elemental Damage applies to the whole of the Converted Damage.

Hopefully some one can help me with how point blank interacts with iceshot's cone.

The cone is a whole new calculation as per above, but how does point blank effect it? Does it not effect it at all because its not a projectile, does it use the arrow's launch point for the calculation, or does it use the arrow's impact point for the calculation?

Tried a Ranger devoted to this skill. Am currently deciding which way to use my 11.0 free respec to get out of it.

Level'd from 1-60 using Frost arrow, bear trap, and split. Used a frost dmg build intot he duelist side of tree (cold bite, wed on gear, hatred, etc...)

Basically, frost arrow sucks and I mostly end up just using split arrow to kill nearly everything.

I tried supporting it with different supports, cold dmg, cold pen, lmp, etc... but the mana cost would get pushed too high too fast.

I think the real problem is that ice shot never freezes a mob and the cold effects are barely noticeable - also aoe from the cone is pretty meh too, so while its mana is priced as an aoe you rarely get more than 1-2 mobs hit with it.

I think this needs some kind of bonus chance to freeze with increased freeze duration to be a viable skill. Right now it doesn't have a niche. Lightning arrow shocks pretty well, burning arrow burns pretty well, but ice shot doesn't freeze anything.

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Vipermagi wrote:

Ice Shot freezes just fine if you Crit, just like LA only Shocks if you Crit as well (or use Static Blows).

I personally used Weapon Elemental Damage and Pierce+Proj Weakness to demolish the place. Pierce only has a 110% Mana Multiplier, and doesn't have a Damage penalty. I've one-shotted Rares a couple times. Fun times!
Started as a Templar, got Amplify to get that AoE to cover far too much ground, and the 25% Mana Cost Reduction to make IS very cheap. RT obviates Accuracy, and Iron Grip gets me a bit more damage (using high-Physical bows, because why not).

If you're only managing to hit two dudes with the cone, though, then it's not the skill's fault.

I use the same supports and all, and high phys dmg bows, etc.. rangers don't have the incresased aoe or easy mana cost reductions, but regardless, it's not that IS can't kill it's that it's by far the worst bow skill. Why should I bother gathering up mobs to that I can hit more than 2 with the tiny ass aoe when I could just spam split and kill most of them outright..

Also, hur hur I take RT and crit for freezes hurr hurr

If there was a freezing node equivalent of static blows then maybe ice shot would freeze just like LA build shock, but there isn't and they don't

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Vipermagi wrote:

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Zaanus wrote:

Also, hur hur I take RT and crit for freezes hurr hurr

Wait, where did I say that again? OH RIGHT, nowhere. Welp.

The Freeze comment was strictly regarding Lightning Arrow being good for broken-ass Shock Stacks. RT refers to how I personally used Ice Shot.

I hate to point out the obvious to you, but shock stacks aren't really broken and LA builds would be terrible without them, and shock stacks aren't normally built with crits but with static blows node.

If ice shot had a node like static shock then maybe ice shot would at least have a niche as the control attack.

But for most bow builds, they'll be sitting right around 5-10% crit through most of their life and that isn't enough for either shock or freeze to be effective - moreso with freeze because it's only a % of phys dmg and it needs to pass the freeze threshold blah blah blah unappealing game mechanics.

But apparently you have this awesome ice shot build, so I look forward to seeing you atop the onslaught 4 month league in front of all those others.