Remove MF completely from game

Having a dedicated MF gear slot is a shitty solution; it's still totall build-independent. The whole problem actually is that, under your "loot ladder" system, boots/helm/gloves/rings/ammy ARE dedicated MF gear slots, until your IIQ/IIR finds you IIQ, IIR, and life... then IIQ, IIR, life, and a resist or two....

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Having a dedicated MF gear slot is a shitty solution; it's still totall build-independent. The whole problem actually is that, under your "loot ladder" system, boots/helm/gloves/rings/ammy ARE dedicated MF gear slots, until your IIQ/IIR finds you IIQ, IIR, and life... then IIQ, IIR, life, and a resist or two....

Yeah I know. Melee is punished just for the hell of it and anyone prioritizing damage/survival over loot find isn't playing the game right.

Still no one has told me what your plane is for all the gear out there with magic find and all the unique gear that has only magic find. If we are going to remove it all together then what do we do about this. As for some builds being better at staking magic find then others that is just the sad reality of this game. You want a magic find account you are going to have to make an account that can stake magic find.

I have grown to dislike MF a lot. Earlier my opinion was that MF adds depth to the game, but now I just feel that it takes the fun away.

A game designed by a company named Grinding Gear Games of course involves a lot of grinding, but why does it have to be so boring.

I play spork, but I wouldn't want to. I hate it, but I have to play it to farm and farm and farm items to be able to gear a character which I would actually want to play.

I believe many of here probably have tried out World of Warcraft where farming items was actually fun. As you could play the character you wanted to farm the items and didn't have to make an boring alt to do it. In Path of Exile, you have to, unless you enjoy playing Sporker as your main.

And the sad truth is that low life spork docks farmer is the single most efficient and safest MF character. Of course you can't do maps, but who cares? You still get the games most powerful and expensive uniques at docks.

I WANT TO PLAY a character which I enjoy! But it simply isn't possible. I am growing really tired of mindless farming with a boring character, nevertheless I do it. Maybe I'm a masochist.

And the defenders who say this about removing MF: "Well it would make the game more simple laadidadadaa"
But why and when in the world has more complexity of the game gained priority over the enjoyment of the game? PoE is already the most complex ARPG around. I understand that some enjoy the mindless MF grind, but just a wild guess that most of the player base hate the mindless grind. I like the grind, but only with a character I enjoy to play with.

I really really hope that when the Onslaught and Anarchy comes to an end, GGG would make a league where MF is removed. That way they could gather knowledge about the opinions of the player base. I for one would play the MF-Free league as it would make me enjoy the game 100% of the time, and not 10%.


Just my 2 Transmutes

EDIT: Just moments ago I died to multiproj temple piety with my MF sporker, and frankly I don't even care, I was already sick to stomach that character. I wanted excitement for the boring farming, and I got it. Now do I have enough dough to make an actually a character which I enjoy to play? No. Do I feel like starting a new MF character? No. Do I feel like taking a break from the game for somewhile? Yes. Will I? I don't know as PoE and its theorycrafting is SO fun. But the harsh truth is I need to make a new MFer before I can play the character with which I actually want to play. And I think I'm not up to it, yet.

I obviously haven't read anything in this thread, but I agree wholeheartedly with the title. I strongly dislike the idea of creating MF characters to farm. I rather increase drops of uniques and rare orbs than dedicate time to playing a MF build.

The worst part is that new players come into this game thinking that they have to do MF first. Everyone's making a low life dual Spork build for the same purpose: to get rich so they can play something else.

Not everyone has time to play often, so it'd be nice to complete a build without MF. The people who DO play more often can just create more characters and play a larger variety of builds.

MF/IIR/IIQ is a dated concept and the implementation in PoE is just as bad as D2 - The drops are balanced around you having some medium amount of MF, and certain builds are absolutely viable with a ton of it, while a lot of characters (melee being the biggest one) really can't play with the "expected" IIQ/IIR values. Maybe if you had the perfect, ultimate gear in every slot... but literally sporkers and other casters can run a ton of IIR/IIQ on a seriously low budget.

As such, I feel that this mechanic kills build diversity since playing a character without IIR/IIQ is a serious waste of time. Given that PoE is targeted at the "hardcore players" and those players typically min/max, the excuse of "No one is forcing you" really isn't valid here.

I don't expect them to remove IIR/IIQ entirely, but every occurrence of it in-game should probably be cut in half or more - uniques with a ton of MF is the worst idea ever lol.

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ggnorekthx wrote:

MF/IIR/IIQ is a dated concept and the implementation in PoE is just as bad as D2 - The drops are balanced around you having some medium amount of MF, and certain builds are absolutely viable with a ton of it, while a lot of characters (melee being the biggest one) really can't play with the "expected" IIQ/IIR values. Maybe if you had the perfect, ultimate gear in every slot... but literally sporkers and other casters can run a ton of IIR/IIQ on a seriously low budget.

As such, I feel that this mechanic kills build diversity since playing a character without IIR/IIQ is a serious waste of time. Given that PoE is targeted at the "hardcore players" and those players typically min/max, the excuse of "No one is forcing you" really isn't valid here.

I don't expect them to remove IIR/IIQ entirely, but every occurrence of it in-game should probably be cut in half or more - uniques with a ton of MF is the worst idea ever lol.

Totally agree. I think by the time game release rolls around, GGG will have to have MF revamped so that incoming new players don't have to go through the grueling MF process. Honestly I think such a change will help retain a lot more players if drops are easier without MF (and if you do go MF, it will provide considerably smaller returns).

I think that it would be a logical step to have MF be a multiplier based off the skill you are using. I wouldn't mind seeing the multiplier on the gem text as well.

Say
"Heavy Strike" "Magic Find Multiplier 2.1x"
"Spell Totem" "Magic Find Multiplier .7x"

It would be a quick fix to a system already implemented along with people investing so much into the items already.

make MF/IIQ cap out at 100/100 or 100/50 or 50/50? something to make it desirable but not make characters dedicated to it. scale down all the MF values on gear.

another suggestion would be to completely remove MF from gear, leave the gems and maybe 3-5x MF values from maps, and also have map level effect MF rate. make it so that running high level maps is MUCH MUCH more efficient than farming docks.

My solution is making MF an independent affix. It isn't rolled with other affixes and it could be added with an orb/charm. If you already have a 6 affix item, use an exalted orb perhaps, and always get MF. Simple and removes the problem of removing anything, rebalancing the game etc. Then you could run the same amount of MF on any char, with the same amount of investment. Some builds would use mf uniques and that would be fine. If i could get half the mf my sporker has on my non sporker char I would be happy.