[1.0.1b] Summoner Guide / Minion Guide

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im finally in map stage again :)
and will add up some more map information especially for indoor maps.

Great, looking forward to read some updates. :)

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and there is only 1 way to boost BM dmg , without support gems for the BM itself.
A blackguard mage with Incr Crit Chance and Ele Prof.

Or you aplly Shock yourself. :P
What about -Fire Resist Curses?

Well here is a video showing the kill speed of burning miscreations if you want to add it to their section http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxsAMkYhUDE. Note this character is purely for MF which is why it's hp/es is so low. In this video the burning miscreation is linked with increased burning damage/Minion life/Increased AOE/Blood Magic (was just testing if it would make it use it's skill right away similar to how the monkey that grants frenzy charges does). Also I think you should add a section about the way you can snap shot zombies and spectres as this is a very useful technique. To summon my spectres and zombies I use the following uniques, they never die.



After you have summoned your zombies and spectres you can remove the items and they will retain the item bonuses.

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evilcloud5 wrote:

Well here is a video showing the kill speed of burning miscreations if you want to add it to their section http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxsAMkYhUDE. Note this character is purely for MF which is why it's hp/es is so low. In this video the burning miscreation is linked with increased burning damage/Minion life/Increased AOE/Blood Magic (was just testing if it would make it use it's skill right away similar to how the monkey that grants frenzy charges does). Also I think you should add a section about the way you can snap shot zombies and spectres as this is a very useful technique. To summon my spectres and zombies I use the following uniques, they never die.

After you have summoned your zombies and spectres you can remove the items and they will retain the item bonuses.

Hello , very nice information u got there with the amulet , OFC the items are same like the raise spectre support gems , as long as the ITEM is beeing used WHEN the spectre is cast the spectre get the bonus.
i ll add the video asap ,


ALSO i have to say

I AM VERY SAD , that alot of minion question got a own thread which were already answered here , same as double questions or i got the feeling that "I MAKE MY OWN SUMMONER GUIDE WITH BUILD TO SHOW OFF HOW COOL MY SPECTRE IS" (even if i dont know if it will stack the spectre aura) was forced in this forum the last 2 month in the witch section.

as always there is a Form u are able to discuss stuff here with high lvl summoners spectre users which look frequently into this post
thx again to venti , matt , and some others whom give spectre input , support gem input
to complete this guide

im open minded , and will appreciate every tip from everbody :)
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i ll watch 1 forum post/guide with alot of wrong informations (realy alot)
and maybe update the Burning Miscreation/Unrightous Fire Section in this guide :)

so far
Have a nice Spectre

maps going good so far but got less time to play so alot info is coming.
i updated the section as well for summoners so they know if they can get a new spectre after the map :)

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terror craft dont forget


BM 1

BLUE :RS
RED +incr Burn
RED +LL (for their meelee atk i RLY know(since FEB) they dont leech with the aura *sigh*)
BLUE +MinionLife/Resi

2 BG Mages

BLUE RS
BLUE ele prof
BLUE incr crit? maybe
Red life leech ? maybe


**note to myself - the shock stacks work pretty good , zombies are enough with 3 BM mages
burning MISCr dies way tooo fast even with minion life , test minion resi
**note - test mages with full map group for decent shock stacks (+120%) dmg
better then every skill point

**chaos bear medium dmg , good surv. add filled form soon , find supp gems
somth wrong with the shock stack at chaos bear seems that no dmg bonus come

I have a couple things I was wondering about for tentacle miscreations, gem wise.

-Life gain on hit vs life leech? I've never seen anyone mention life gain on hit, but it might be worth trying considering how many times they hit with lmp/chain.

-GMP or LMP? Technically GMP + chain does more damage than LMP + chain, but only if almost all the projectiles hit something. GMP is also worse vs bosses. This one I'm messing around with right now, since it doesn't require me to change sockets with chroms.

-Added chaos damage vs remote mine vs minion damage. Again, they hit really fast so is added chaos damage more dps? I know it's hard to tell with no damage info for minions, but if someone has tried both and has an opinion I'd love to hear it :).

-Knockback worth a gem slot? I've only seen this mentioned in Tuko's guide, he recommends it even over a life leech gem, but I'm not sure what to remove in a 5 link. I use spectre/life leech(this or lgoh seems mandatory)/chain/lmp/added chaos damage (or remote mine or minion damage). I'd probably end up removing added chaos/minion dmg/remote mine, life leech and chain and lmp seem pretty necessary. I'll probably end up blowing the chroms to get BRRGG to try it out, was hoping someone else has already tried it though lol.

I'll post more later if I mess around with gems some more. I need a 6 link :S

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HaleBopp wrote:

Tentacle Miscreations support gems ,



test - decoy totem ,
test - knockback tentacle -faster atks , faster proj , gmp , firepren
test
2gmp
3faster atjk
4Knockback/fasterproj/firepen
5lifeleech/kockback/ChaosDmg

Life leech LGOH question
i had a therory craft 1 month ago tested it and LGOH isnt as good as LL , dunno why.
try to find out how much HP a merciless tentacle have and calculate urself.LL is from the dmg they deal and they deal alot dmg with every spike and every spike leeches.
LGOH is only on hit


dont try to "overstack" the projectiles focus on usefull gems and 1 projectile gem. (ofc lmp or gmp) chaos dmg vs non chaos resist , minion dmg for the lazy ones , remote miny if u are a true summoner :) knockback is def worth the gemslot if u think at maps like overgrown ruin or cemetery end boss room.


another hint , read this post there is somttimes a "wierd orchish therory craft" from me which i read 2 weeks later as "guide" .... or some inputs from the high lvl summoners which are definitly worth it (and appear also as seperate guides)



if this post get attention again i ll update it more frequently but i feel a little bit backstabbed from some summoners.

so far have a nice spectre

Try using projectile weakness as a curse. In my experience, you'll get quite adequate knockback from its chance to knockback given the high rate of projectile fire from TM's. PW is a pretty great curse overall for projectile users.

Since chaos degen bears are getting nerfed in the 11.4 patch, any thoughts on the best spectre to pair with burning miscreations? I've been trying out the barracks arc mages but I'm not super impressed by them so far.

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dessloc wrote:

Try using projectile weakness as a curse. In my experience, you'll get quite adequate knockback from its chance to knockback given the high rate of projectile fire from TM's. PW is a pretty great curse overall for projectile users.

Since chaos degen bears are getting nerfed in the 11.4 patch, any thoughts on the best spectre to pair with burning miscreations? I've been trying out the barracks arc mages but I'm not super impressed by them so far.

thx for your infos about the blackguard mages , im interested in the setup of the support gems from the blackguard mages.

i tried to get champions from barracks (lvl 68) with

-Raise Spectre
-Incr Crit Chance
-Ele Prof
-Life Leech.

first i have to mention with ele prof, i never had the blackguard mage this long the shockstacks from their arc highers their survivability.

for my amazement. i mixed 2 of the BM mages with 1 of BurningM
The bunring M had
-RS
-Minion life
-Incr AOE
-Incr Burning Dmg / Life Leech

-5link dont have a usefull 1 yet , power charge on crit.

yeah im obsessed with life leech im a lazy bitch who dont want to get the spectre again :)
but incr burning dmg with the BM mages ele prof shock was pretty fast. definitly faster than with 3 burning miscreation
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btw im searching a "LIGHTING Spectre" which can better shockstack. thinking of the lighting sentinels
- raise spectre
- ele prof
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-?
the idea is to support the burning miscreation though of
-incr crit chance
-chain
-power charge on crit

I use the same supports as you for the barracks arc mages, in theory they should do a decent job shockstacking but they really don't in my experience. Maybe I'll try swapping out increased crit chance for lightning pen and see if that helps. The lightning curtains are an interesting idea, they seem to only have a single target arc but maybe with prolif they could spread shock stacks effectively. Will be interested to hear your experiences as well.

I use necromantic aegis in my build and it has resulted in a dramatic difference in my minions' survival rate. I have an archon kite shield with +38% all res and a +24% chaos res. My zombies pretty much never die, and my spectres only die under very heavy prolonged burst damage. My resists are still capped just with jewelry but Aurumvorax is a great way to improve resists if needed.

For those thinking of using the degen bear (or currently using it), it will be nerfed in the next patch. Its chaos degen will be changed from percentage based to flat damage per second.
"Shaggy Monstrosities now perform flat life degeneration based on their level, rather than a percentage based degeneration." -Quote from patch.
My prediction is that it will be better against white/blue maybe but much less effective against bosses/yellow mobs. Burning miscreations is still imho the BEST spectre out there, nothing else from what I've tried compares to it. I have never had any problems with keeping it alive (though I do have necromantic aegis and vitality). The ONLY con so far I have realized about them is in certain maps (dungeon map Brutus/Cemetary etc.) where you change rooms right before the boss, is your burning miscreation will need to recast its burning skill, this can cause your whole team of summons to get wiped out by the boss if you depend solely on burning miscreation for damage and it takes to long to activate/your summons aren't tanky enough.