(HC/SC) Facebreaker + Cyclone - Fists of Fury Duelist [Videos Included]

"

Acrosis wrote:

Because Cyclone already brings stun-prevention.

Out of curiosity, how much Chaos Resistance are you Abyssus users rocking? Currently using a Geofri's to boost it up, but I suppose getting it on jewellery could make up for it.

I was in a similar circumstance using geofri's. The damage increase of Abyssus is absolutely insane and I'm not sure I could give it up after having used it. That being said, I have 8 chaos res. I was in the negatives for quite some time so decided to make it a priority on new upgrades. I honestly don't notice much of a difference though, and I think with the combination of unique items I'm using there's not much more I can improve it. Having a higher life pool seems much more beneficial to me (but chaos res is a bonus). Once you can get on top of the monsters and spinning chaos damage doesn't pose much of a threat anyway.

"

I see the tree also goes north for increased radius and damage.

Please explain?

Is this to increase the AoE of Infernal Blow? Is it for the auras. Is it for cyclone??

I'm sure the increased AOE is good for Infernal Blow, but I'm assuming the main purpose of it is for cyclone. If you're using concentrated effect (which adds a lot of damage), you'll need to make the radius loss up to make cyclone viable. I'm a couple levels off from grabbing the radius nodes in the witch area (have the rest) and even those in combination with carcass jack, Cyclone's radius still feels small. As far as IB, I rarely actually use this skill anymore. It used to trump cyclone for single target for me, but as the damage disparity has decreased I prefer the movement of Cyclone. I think the only mobs I consistently use IB on are the rare or magic crab things so I don't have to kill them twice.

"

For now, my only other question is...

How do you know to put mana leach on IB instead of Cyclone? Will you get more mana from IB versus cyclone?

Same goes for life leech. Do you use life leech on both skills, or 1 over the other based on benefits

Until recently I was running with no mana leech outside of warlords mark (would only be used on difficult champs). I found that with a good hybrid flask in my belt it wasn't necessary since the only ability that I use mana on is warlords mark. As far as life leech, I only run 2% from the blood drinker passive, which is generally enough when supplemented with flasks (when needed). Again, I don't use IB very often, so I'm not sure if there's any benefit to adding leech to it or not. Once your damage improves as you level you should be able to sustain blood magic cyclone off blood drinker, giving you an additional damage socket.

Oh, i missed this....

I wanted to go for increased attack speed so i can punch stuff faster with facebreakers. Making a marauder FB build versus Duelist FB is boring; duelist is a lot more fun.

Why isnt Increased Attack speed focused on?? How does that negatively effect Cyclone?

Also,

do we NEED to take resolute technique? how does crit work with unarmed?

@Mouchi,
Can you link your gear again because it must have changed alot since you've last posted it. Just curious to see how much chaos res you've obtained on your jewellery. Might start looking for some to accommodate for an Abyssus.

Also, are you using the Increased AoE build posted? Because that reaches pretty far into the witch tree for not too much gain.

"

Acrosis wrote:

@Mouchi,
Can you link your gear again because it must have changed alot since you've last posted it. Just curious to see how much chaos res you've obtained on your jewellery. Might start looking for some to accommodate for an Abyssus.

Also, are you using the Increased AoE build posted? Because that reaches pretty far into the witch tree for not too much gain.

I believe the only chaos res I've gained has been on my ring and shield. I'd like to find jewelry with more chaos res and similar stats to mine currently, but I've yet to find any on the market that I can afford, or is for sale.

As for your second question, I totally agree. I actually haven't allocated any points past Inner force yet, as I'd rather have an immediate gain upon leveling up (since 10 int does nothing for me). My plan was to respec the points into those aoe nodes once I reached 85; however, I'm hoping that my radius issues with cyclone will be alleviated with changes to desync and lag. If the latter is true then I will definitely continue following the HC build with a few tweaks.

Regarding attack speed....

This skill will spin at higher attack speeds. GGG stated that it attacks TWICE per...PER spin. You spin faster with more attack speed.


Not sure why earlier posts stated its not beneficial to get attack speed. A higher attack speed doesnt mean you will miss targets or hit them less.

How does carcass jack affect infernal blow with melee splash? I tried concentrated effect n it didnt affect my tooltip dps at all? So I was wondering if carcass works for ib or ill just use kaoms.

same for blast radius passive too, I'll b only using ib with melee splash n not cyclone so I was thinking if that passive is worth it?

"

damaxxerous wrote:

Not sure why earlier posts stated its not beneficial to get attack speed. A higher attack speed doesnt mean you will miss targets or hit them less.

Attack speed is very good. A 6% atkspd node gives me a considerable boost in dps.

Another thing you should consider is your movespeed. If you have high movespeed, I think a higher attack speed is beneficial to help you get in more hits in the brief amount you whirl through.

At higher levels though, I sacrifice some minor speed nodes (notably the 4% and 6% ones) in favor of defensive nodes.

@Mouchi,
Ah, I see, the damage from Abyssus means that you can swap out Daresso's, giving you more chaos res slots.

Also, wondering if Haste aura would be worth using 3 points on to get up to 15% less mana reserved from auras (I already have 10% less, but if Haste isn't worth it, I might respec out of it because I already have enough mana). From what I've read, it doesn't add too much to Cyclone, but that attack speed is pretty tempting.

Edit: So I just did a little testing, and Haste seems to add very little to Cyclone (adding about 150 dps to my 3k dps cyclone).

Anyone here got level 16-20 cyclone + infernal blow + conc effects leftover? =)