Lioneye's Glare - Possibility for a nerf on an overpowered item?

Good tri ele bows are better than lioneyes. Don't believe everything you hear.

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gh0un wrote:

edit2:
Just in case you are curious.
If there is no lvl 79 affix, the highest possible dps on an imperial is 547 dps.
Yeah, clearly lioneyes is the best bow out there.
"insert zonk sound here".

You should have used a Harbinger bow as a comparison since it's highest dps bow period. Should be around 8 dps higher!

Also what is PROJECTILE WEAKNESS?! HALP RESOLUTE WHAT?

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deteego wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Also, Athena, phys dmg doesn't suck. You just need to invest in it for it to be effective. Elemental has to go against resists, which are flat. Phys has to go against AR, which is not.

As stated in the manifesto, physical damage does suck big balls

Yes it doesn't get reduced as much due to how armor works (conversely though, it means you get countered by physical damage reflect that much harder) but due to things like shock stacking and ignite on big crits, elemental damage can easily deal as much damage as physical in practical situations, considering everything

Ontop of that, elemental damage requires far less investment which is what matters in an aRPG. No one cares if you can get physical damage to the same level as elemental damage if you need to spend another 20-30 nodes on the tree for it and you need a +150% physical damage roll minimum, especially when elemental damage you can still CC (with cold) or in party situations you can greatly increase the damage a target takes (shock stacking)

For those that don't know, 3 shock stacks = 220% more damage on a target. Physical damage builds have to invest a lot to just get up to that level. Even though elemental resist is flat, that is easily covered with curses/penetration, which is what everyone runs anyways (especially if you are not shock based)

As stated in the manifesto, there is a disparity between elemental and physical for a variety of reasons. However, phys dmg (as it is even now) trumps elemental. I'm saying in terms of the mechanics with phys and AR vs ele and resists. Invalesco's got some math lying around here somewhere going into much better detail. :)

The bolded part is the important thing here. You MUST use elemental weakness and you MUST use penetration in order to bring resists AT BEST anywhere near 0 (which for some mobs that still might not be enough).

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SL4YER wrote:

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Blackgleam.

gg, now you have like 100%dmg phys converted to elemental => your whole dps is affected by both phys and elemental modifier ( where with your thicket ele bow, more than 1/4 of the dmg from it will not be affected by your elemental dmg modifiers ).
( And yes, Blackgleam is worth any other quiver with LG ).

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gh0un wrote:

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suchs rolls all together is something that like ... never happens, I don't think that there is even one single bow exceeding 450 dps in PoE atm for example..
There are LG everywhere ( well, not everywhere, but there are a lot of them in the game currenctly ).
This is funny, I can take poe shop indexer any time and sort all the bows by dps : I am pretty sure that I will find LGs first ! ( in default at least, LG might be harder to find in HC obv )

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riptid3 wrote:

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yeah, you are right, that is why you will NEVER see an elemental ranger build using resolute technique, EVER.
oh ... wait .....
and immuned to curses ennemies are a legend, don't believe it, they don't exist.

The point is, LG should have a counterpart, at least disabling crit would make more sense.

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Fruz wrote:

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SL4YER wrote:

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Blackgleam.

gg, now you have like 100%dmg phys converted to elemental => your whole dps is affected by both phys and elemental modifier.
( And yes, Blackgleam is worth any other quiver with LG ).

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gh0un wrote:

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suchs rolls all together is something that like ... never happens, I don't think that there is even one single bow exceeding 450 dps in PoE atm for example..
There are LG everywhere ( well, not everywhere, but there are a lot of them in the game currenctly ).
This is funny, I can take poe shop indexer any time and sort all the bows by dps : I am pretty sure that I will find LGs first ! ( in default at least, LG might be harder to find in HC obv )

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riptid3 wrote:

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yeah, you are right, that is why you will NEVER see an elemental ranger build using resolute technique, EVER.
oh ... wait .....
and immuned to curses ennemies are a legend, don't believe it, they don't exist.

The point is, LG should have a counterpart, at least disabling crit would make more sense.

Yeah..... now you've just wasted a quiver slot in order to get what elemental bows already have. While an elemental bow still get's the bonus of a quiver....

You were wrong, please eat your humble pie

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30% elemental dmg from the quiver for ..... having 100% ( and not ~75% like with your thicket tri ele bow ) of your bow dmg affected by all your elemental dmg modifier ( and physical ).
Worth it.
+ increased burn/shock duration, no chilled though, but well ... mobs should be dead before they reach you anyway in most of the cases.
You don't get res and life from it of course, but you get more dps..

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Fruz wrote:

30% elemental dmg from the quiver for ..... having 100% ( and not ~75% like with your thicket tri ele bow ) of your bow dmg affected by all your elemental dmg modifier ( and physical ).
Worth it.
+ increased burn/shock duration, no chilled though, but well ... mobs should be dead before they reach you anyway in most of the cases.
You don't get res and life from it of course, but you get more dps..

What are you talking about? It doesn't convert 100% of phys dmg.

And no, you don't get more dmg. You lose out on what's max(?) 36% increase in elemental dmg + elemental damage on quiver + life/resists. That's a lot to lose.

It's not BiS.

okay. Bow has just for the sake of argument max 280 phys. 40% converted = 112 elemental as lightning.

Thicket bow, has max 60+60+110 ALL ELEMENTS = 230 Hell let's even round it to 200 for fun. Or even 175. Either way, it TRUMPS a Lioneye.

Do to the way AR works. Having a little bit does nothing to HP. None will get through. So anything leftover that isn't converted, is useless.

lightning arrow => 50% physical dmg converted to lightning dmg
perfect blackgleam => 50% physical dmg converted to fire dmg

And there you have the totality of your physical dmg converted to elemental dmg.

everything here is converted.
no leftover

EDIT : just corrected a stupid mistake here, getting tired sorry !

And you still lose +36% increase elemental dmg + all the ele rolls a quiver can get. Which means you lose out.

And IAS I believe.

dude ....

If you have 280 elemental dmg instead of 230, that means that even WED ( at max lvl, so 80% ) gives already 40 more dmg for the 280.
This is half of your 36% increase of 230, 80% elemental dmg from any other source in addition and the 2 setups are both equal ( not mentionning the physical dmg modifier, many build are going through iron grip ).
Anything more than those 2*80% will increase the LG + BlackGleam dps more significantly.

and blackgleam has already +10% IAS ( not sure how much can get a rare quiver ).

You don't have the defensive stats, but you have more dps at the end.
( And the ele rolls on a quiver .... c'mon, they are max lvl 30 =/ ).