major end game design flaw (map drop rates / currency dump)

I empathise with the frustration of getting poorer in order to run really high level maps. I agree with the IIQ mods not stacking appropriately in some cases, as advocated by Sl4yer.

But I'm not sure what you guys in the high 80s/90s are actually looking for when it comes to high level map content?

Isn't high end content *meant* to be a currency sink so as to avoid hyperinflation as the bulk of the player base moves there? If it isn't, the rich will get richer and the poor get poorer (like real life) and fairly quickly the disparity in wealth between new and seasoned players will be exponentially large.

If you guys are just looking for "challenge", then I would advocate for a "play ground" dungeon where mobs drop only maps, but not items - where mods are random and can be reset/rebooted a la MoC. Perhaps in endless-dungeon style.

Or reroll a new toon - I personally have no intention of trying to play past mid 80s with a single char, I'd die of boredom - but that's fine as I'd like to explore the plethora of options that PoE avails us.

Petrov.

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reimur wrote:

map drop rates make no sense at all. end game content shouldn't be dependant on rng. probably won't be coming back until this shit gets reworked. was fun while i was delusional though. good game overall, end game just sucks shit.

groups shouldn't be getting fucked on map drops when they chisel, alch, and roll every 72+ map with an obscene amount of chaos orbs, and do the same to 75+ maps, even exalting the good ones. it's the most retarded end game i've ever seen in my life, tbh.

LOL Big baby, mad cause you didn't like a roll stat on a map and to scared to do it?


(So you'd re-roll more) which then you waste items because of fearfulness, then blame GGG?

Seems legit

I expect more professional criticism from a diamond supporter.

Have nice day

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monkuar wrote:

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reimur wrote:

map drop rates make no sense at all. end game content shouldn't be dependant on rng. probably won't be coming back until this shit gets reworked. was fun while i was delusional though. good game overall, end game just sucks shit.

groups shouldn't be getting fucked on map drops when they chisel, alch, and roll every 72+ map with an obscene amount of chaos orbs, and do the same to 75+ maps, even exalting the good ones. it's the most retarded end game i've ever seen in my life, tbh.

LOL Big baby, mad cause you didn't like a roll stat on a map and to scared to do it?


(So you'd re-roll more) which then you waste items because of fearfulness, then blame GGG?

Seems legit

I expect more professional criticism from a diamond supporter.

Have nice day

lol, you have no idea what you're talking about - people use a lot of currency to roll certain mods, not to avoid them

The problem is hard mods don't help much when it comes to getting more maps, area/maze + magic + pack size is much better. I've made this suggestion before, make every map have area/maze, adjust magic/rare/pack sizes and remove all of those mods. Only have mods that actually make the map harder and reward people who are willing to run harder maps.

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Ithinkthisisnice wrote:

Rng is rng

sloppy design for endgame is sloppy design....

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Delmas wrote:

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SiXpAiNs wrote:

chris just saying, your end game really is broken.... a game that is luck based in anyway is a failed system... fix it for the future players

Do you even read what you type? Has there ever been a ARPG that is not rng based?

We need currency sinks, and the highest end players should be sinking the most currency.

If you cant afford it, dont do it.

the problem is NOT the currency dumps on the maps
the problem is that NO maps drop (20 dock runs merci and have yet to see how a map drop looks like...i even looted 1 exal 1 regal but still NO map)

it actually is the currency dump on maps that this thread is mainly about. you don't even know how much currency my group as a whole were spending on maps, while getting nothing out of them. actually, we got a dried lake out of a shipyard once. that shit should not be happening.

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RandallPOE wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

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reimur wrote:

map drop rates make no sense at all. end game content shouldn't be dependant on rng. probably won't be coming back until this shit gets reworked. was fun while i was delusional though. good game overall, end game just sucks shit.

groups shouldn't be getting fucked on map drops when they chisel, alch, and roll every 72+ map with an obscene amount of chaos orbs, and do the same to 75+ maps, even exalting the good ones. it's the most retarded end game i've ever seen in my life, tbh.

LOL Big baby, mad cause you didn't like a roll stat on a map and to scared to do it?


(So you'd re-roll more) which then you waste items because of fearfulness, then blame GGG?

Seems legit

I expect more professional criticism from a diamond supporter.

Have nice day

lol, you have no idea what you're talking about - people use a lot of currency to roll certain mods, not to avoid them

Cant read huh?

The reason why you spend more currency on the map is because of fearfulness.

"I WANT A DIFF STAT THAN THIS" because I don't want to die in the map!

Then you end up chaosing, re-rolling the map tons of times, then you blame GGG because it's so expensive, see my point? LOL

OH I CANT DO -50% LESS REGEN BECAUSE IM SCURRRREDDD...... BETTER SPEND MORE CHAOS TO REROLL! LOL

/sarcasm

How about you just man-up do the map if it's hard and stop complaining and blaming GGG for everything? Oh that's to hard, I understand.

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monkuar wrote:

Cant read huh?

The reason why you spend more currency on the map is because of fearfulness.

"I WANT A DIFF STAT THAN THIS" because I don't want to die in the map!

Then you end up chaosing, re-rolling the map tons of times, then you blame GGG because it's so expensive, see my point? LOL

OH I CANT DO -50% LESS REGEN BECAUSE IM SCURRRREDDD...... BETTER SPEND MORE CHAOS TO REROLL! LOL

/sarcasm

How about you just man-up do the map if it's hard and stop complaining and blaming GGG for everything? Oh that's to hard, I understand.

our groups never reroll maps because of the difficulty of them, we can handle anything. the reason we spend so much on rerolls is to get the maze/area, pack size, magic/rare monster rolls, with a combination of the mods deemed "difficult" so we get the most quantity from them. the reason we do this is because we're supposed to get more map drops from higher item quantity on the map rolls, but it doesn't happen that way. that's why people are complaining.

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monkuar wrote:

Cant read huh?

The reason why you spend more currency on the map is because of fearfulness.

"I WANT A DIFF STAT THAN THIS" because I don't want to die in the map!

Then you end up chaosing, re-rolling the map tons of times, then you blame GGG because it's so expensive, see my point? LOL

OH I CANT DO -50% LESS REGEN BECAUSE IM SCURRRREDDD...... BETTER SPEND MORE CHAOS TO REROLL! LOL

/sarcasm

How about you just man-up do the map if it's hard and stop complaining and blaming GGG for everything? Oh that's to hard, I understand.

no you still don't get it, try again