No respec options? No thanks.

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

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kabraxis wrote:

ITS A F2P GAME - IF YOU WANT IT THAT MUCH YOU'LL BUY RESPEC FROM ITEM SHOP.

Absolutely not. A full respec is definitely an advantage, and we should all know GGG's stance on selling advantages.

I dont see char respec as a advantage. Its just buying time. In what specific way you respecced with money char will be better than my char that is played completely for free? Do you oneshot me in PvP? NO. Will you kill mobs faster than me? NO. Do you get free unques? NO.
I guess that you char wil be even weaker than mine because if you need respec (in some situations) it means
that you screw your build and you are not very good in PoE.
from developer perspective i would rather sell respec to that kind of player rather than forcing him to evel another char and in 90% cases unninstaling the game in frustration and boredom (because if you play higher diff lvls in aRPG the normal lvls are not so qattractive gameplay-wise when you starts another alt. Its "game is fun on Hell" syndrome).

They should and imho they will sell respecs in game store. Trust me there will be demand for things like that. Especially with lelveling curve they have in plans. Peoples are not robots and even hardcore players have life. :) And i consider myself hardcore gamer.


Dont be that obsesive with this "ethical" microtransactions.
Game must make cash on something and honeslty things like stash pages or respecs are definitely not gamebreaking for anyone.

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Kabraxis wrote:

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

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kabraxis wrote:

ITS A F2P GAME - IF YOU WANT IT THAT MUCH YOU'LL BUY RESPEC FROM ITEM SHOP.

Absolutely not. A full respec is definitely an advantage, and we should all know GGG's stance on selling advantages.

I dont see char respec as a advantage. Its just buying time.

Wealth in an ARPG is a function of time spent playing. So by your logic it would give no advantage to sell orbs, too.

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Mr_Cee wrote:

I dont want to confirm every point I set... others opinons?

A confirmation when you exit the passive tree would be fine.

I'm still waiting for anyone to address the fact that there's already a respec system in place which they simply chose to neglect and instead ignorantly deleted their character.

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Strill wrote:

A confirmation when you exit the passive tree would be fine.

I'm still waiting for anyone to address the fact that there's already a respec system in place which they simply chose to neglect and instead ignorantly deleted their character.

For a new player, who also is likely to need to respec the most, it can be very difficult to get enough orbs of regret.

This is why I proposed a one-per-account free full respec

"I'm still waiting for anyone to address the fact that there's already a respec system in place which they simply chose to neglect and instead ignorantly deleted their character."


Personally i dont care that there will be full respecs in PoE but current system isnt helping players that want respec because they dont like their character efficiency or playstyle.

Why you want respec? because you dont want to play with char you already have and with skill you already have and with build that you already have.

Current system forces you to play character that you dont want to play to achieve posssibility to play with other build. Why? becuse you need orbs from drops or points from quests... you may trade ofc but you must have something to barter.. so you must play. You want big respec? Play for long hours with you onlychar that you want to respec and pray that you will not unnistal game in rage before this will happen.

In couple words: You hate something and you must do this even more to change anything. This is respec system in PoE. Great system srsly :)

Its simply bad system and im not suprised that someine that want play with something different will neglect system that forces him to do more things he dont like.

My honest and friendly advice is that GGG should reconsider some of they design decisions because they are simply BAD. They are not cater to hardcore players - thay are carer to ...... no one.

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Sickness wrote:

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Strill wrote:

A confirmation when you exit the passive tree would be fine.

I'm still waiting for anyone to address the fact that there's already a respec system in place which they simply chose to neglect and instead ignorantly deleted their character.

For a new player, who also is likely to need to respec the most, it can be very difficult to get enough orbs of regret.

This is why I proposed a one-per-account free full respec

Why does a low-level player's build matter? The game is already laughably easy at that point! It won't make a difference anyway, and they'll have fixed it by the time it does matter. Furthermore a low-level player doesn't even need to worry about orbs of regret because they'll be getting reset points from quests.

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Kabraxis wrote:

I dont see char respec as a advantage. Its just buying time. In what specific way you respecced with money char will be better than my char that is played completely for free? Do you oneshot me in PvP? NO. Will you kill mobs faster than me? NO. Do you get free unques? NO.
I guess that you char wil be even weaker than mine because if you need respec (in some situations) it means
that you screw your build and you are not very good in PoE.

My character would make it to the top of the ladder faster and be much more likely to retain a high position. My character could figure out your PvP build and respec to beat it. In short, my character would be able to adapt to any situation by using money instead of player skill and compromise. That's not what this game is about. Dust7's analogy sums it up well.

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kabraxis wrote:

Current system forces you to play character that you dont want to play to achieve posssibility to play with other build.

No, it doesn't. You always have the ability to play another character. You're definitely not forced to play one you don't like.

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

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kabraxis wrote:

Current system forces you to play character that you dont want to play to achieve posssibility to play with other build.

No, it doesn't. You always have the ability to play another character. You're definitely not forced to play one you don't like.

With another char i get respec points for him not for char that i want respec.

And if for example i have one 80lvl char and i want respec it u want me to make lvl 1 Witch and grind 70 regret orbs?
Or spam chat for hours... no.... for days to trade for 70 regret orbs?

Good Joke.

Its fucked system. I dont have better but its sooooooooo fucked up. :) I would pay 20$ for respec only to not use this idiotic and punishing system.

Its just called bad design - end of story for me. Ad i will not discuss this further because:

1. I give some solutions already
2. I really dont care because atm game is not that good to invest that much time to get to lvl 80 or smth.
3. I dont see how buying respec in shop is gamebreaking advantage.

An no respec in game (or even in Item Shop) WILL LOWER PLAYERBASE, MAYBE EVEN DRASTICALLY. I play too many games (F2P included) to not see this and if someone tells otherwise is delusional.

And as conslusion to this discussion (form my side) i will give D2 example.

D2LOD, the best aRPG in history dont offer respecs at all for 9 years or something.... but now we have (as forst post mentions) 2012, reality has changed and now D2LOD offers three full respecs per char.

And?

Nothng basically changed and game is even better than before, especially for solo players that find some game elements/content very unbalanced and hard (or even impossible) to beat with they current (nn optimal) build.

And above thing is very common in D2LOD and will be very common in PoE - it already is btw (chaos, some mob modifiers), and will even be more common.

While I am not big fan of respec systems in the games, I have too agree full respec should be present in the game... in one way or another. People are free to ignore it but they shouldn't dictate how much time other players have to spend in the game to have fun

Many players don't like re-rolling ..many players just don't have enough time to play new character just to try different build... And also it's absolutely silly to force players to grind some orbs for hours to just let them try something different (and lock them again in permanent choice until they will farm enough orbs again)

I believe current system will cause many people just leave PoE altogether and play some other ARPG games. THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR anyone. Not for GGG nor for the anti-respec supporters.

If PoE want to survive next few years, they just have to to keep many players happy.