Leave trading alone, don't waste resources on it

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Moosifer wrote:

Point stands, why should GGG devote time towards making a system that's already in place and doesn't cost them time or money?

What GGG described is better and it would be nice to see some effort from them in this area.

2.5 years ago I was ok with the trading system but good Lord do something with it now.

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chromafunk wrote:

Integrated yzx + async trading is what it needs to be. The integrated yxz will allow for further polishing by GGG. They should then ban external sites to use the API to scan the items, disallowing then possible advantage on trading by those sites owners and or just people running sophisticated scripts to gain advantage on trading.

I think this point is critical for the system to make real sense, as it has been already proven that those advantages exist.

That is silly, the system works now, sure it would be nice to not have to alt tab out of the game, but this isn't something GGG should work on.

Banning 3rd party sites from using it will just force more bots in the game to do the work, while your solution might look good on paper, this game is F2P and bots that parse text aren't that complicated.

What advantages are you referring to?

As for @iamstryker

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IMO it makes no difference what league it is in. Standard is a big part of the game and should function just as well as any other league. Trading shouldn't suck more in one league than any other.

You are confusing the economy with trading here, trading doesn't "suck" more in standard the economy is significantly different. You won't sell the same sort of items you can sell in the leagues in standard or if you can not for anywhere near the same price, this is an economy issue, not a trading issue.

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That happens plenty. One example is gems. I'm not going to get anyone to contact me through the forum for a gem but I can find people who are looking for one in trade chat. I don't know why, that's just the way that it is.

You've never sold a gem listed threw the forums? I have and I don't even list that many items. I can see how results from spamming trade chat are more favorable as sometimes people just see a deal or forget they've been looking for something until they see it, this is a purchase of opportunity more then likely, not necessity.

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GGG hasn't done crap yet to help trading.

Complaining that they haven't done anything is like shouting into the void. Come up with something you want from trading that isn't "the whole system sucks do something" Poe.trade and procurement have BOTH improved their software\sites significantly to help.

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What GGG described is better and it would be nice to see some effort from them in this area.

The offline one off trades are OK imo, but lets not get crazy with lol AH.

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2.5 years ago I was ok with the trading system but good Lord do something with it now.

Whats changed for you over the years to hate the current system, its done nothing but improve over time?

Nothing about the system has changed at all--that's the problem. It has to rely on 3rd party bullshit. It's extremely unprofessional, inconvenient, slow, and unreliable.

Your argument isn't defending POE's trade system; it's defending poe.trade and Procurement. Two things that only exist because the current system sucks.

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Nothing about the system has changed at all--that's the problem. It has to rely on 3rd party bullshit. It's extremely unprofessional, inconvenient, slow, and unreliable.

Your argument isn't defending POE's trade system; it's defending poe.trade and Procurement. Two things that only exist because the current system sucks.

This;

Goetzam post --> ignored. It is clear that you are only being defensive to people's complaints for your own fun, that keeps you well entertained. It is basically because you don't agree with anyone who wants to change something for the benefit of all players.

You are the selfish-negative-conservative white knight fanboy. Badge earned and well deserved.

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chromafunk wrote:

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Nothing about the system has changed at all--that's the problem. It has to rely on 3rd party bullshit. It's extremely unprofessional, inconvenient, slow, and unreliable.

Your argument isn't defending POE's trade system; it's defending poe.trade and Procurement. Two things that only exist because the current system sucks.

This;

Goetzam post --> ignored. It is clear that you are only being defensive to people's complaints for your own fun, that keeps you well entertained. It is basically because you don't agree with anyone who wants to change something for the benefit of all players.

You are the selfish-negative-conservative white knight fanboy. Badge earned and well deserved.

You clearly haven't read all my post or post in every other thread. There are things GGG need or can work on without spending time and energy on others that don't need any changes.

Make generalized statements without providing proof on my position is quite funny. I don't do it because I enjoy dismissing peoples complaints, I do it because I don't want GGG to waste time or change a system that not only works, but provides enough deterrent to not make automation a thing.

Well played with the personal attacks it for sure helps with your cause. By all means when you have something to add to the conversation rather then personal attacks add it, until then you are just wasting my time as well as others posting.

As for @albino, nothing GGG has done to change the system, however both poe.trade and procurment have added things to make the system work better for you. Let me ask you this, do you use procurment? If not WHY? Link me your shop you have on the forums.

My arguement is that PoE's trade system is poe.trade and procurment, 3rd party apps and resources WILL ALWAYS BE A THING IN ALMOST EVERY GAME YOU EVER PLAY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. That argument has been made so many times before.

Saying it is unprofessional, slow and unreliable is incorrect. It might be very minor inconvenient but not enough for players that want to trade to trade. You honestly have so many problems with this game and the systems that make it unqiue you can't help but to complain or jump on the bandwagon for any and every suggestion people make. Its honestly quite sad when you think about it.

Errrrr, no. Trade needs revamp. ATM there is no "trade-system" in PoE. Give that PoE is designed with trade in mind, this is a little weird. Poe.trade and Procurement are cool, but not the answers.

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Perq wrote:

Errrrr, no. Trade needs revamp. ATM there is no "trade-system" in PoE. Give that PoE is designed with trade in mind, this is a little weird. Poe.trade and Procurement are cool, but not the answers.

What are they missing that you think needs to happen?

Poe's trade system is the forums, both procurment and poe.trade help make using the forums to your advantage.

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goetzjam wrote:

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Perq wrote:

Errrrr, no. Trade needs revamp. ATM there is no "trade-system" in PoE. Give that PoE is designed with trade in mind, this is a little weird. Poe.trade and Procurement are cool, but not the answers.

What are they missing that you think needs to happen?

Poe's trade system is the forums, both procurment and poe.trade help make using the forums to your advantage.

You ask what it's missing, but in the same breath provide the very proof that the system sucks due to the necessity of such things.

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I only actually have a few major problems with the game, and a bunch of minor criticisms. Also, there's nothing wrong with supporting someone's idea if you agree with it. Not sure why you think that's a bad thing.

The problem isn't with me; it's you. You're afraid of change, and you want the game to stagnate until people are so bored with it they move on to something else. The game was never meant to remain in one permanent state.

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You ask what it's missing, but in the same breath provide the very proof that the system sucks due to the necessity of such things.

Those such things are why the system is fine as it is. When you can understand that concept you will understand why GGG doesn't need to do anything to improve trading or at least not a "new system"

Prove to me you even attempt you use the system you are given. Those that do use the system (and all available resources) don't have an issue with it, sure its a minor inconvenience to not lol just sell without doing anything, but the current system is already borderline there.

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I only actually have a few major problems with the game, and a bunch of minor criticisms. Also, there's nothing wrong with supporting someone's idea if you agree with it. Not sure why you think that's a bad thing.

A "few"

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The problem isn't with me; it's you. You're afraid of change, and you want the game to stagnate until people are so bored with it they move on to something else. The game was never meant to remain in one permanent state

Did I say the problem was with you, you seem to be really on the offensive today, I thought we had gotten past this, I guess not. I don't mind change, what I don't want is wasted dev time on stupid or useless thing because people are too ignorant to use what they already have available, GGG isn't going to hold your hand and play the game for you. GGG isn't going to plan your skill tree and tell you no you can't go crit or you can't use that skill.

The game is not suppose to remaining stagnate, but that doesn't mean it should have shitty changes like you (and others) are trying to do. Just look at the fellow people that support your claims with 1-2 line lol current system sucks. That doesn't help your case or help GGG determine why, if they do need to make an AH or trade system that is automated.

If you go back in time GGG specifically stated long ago they won't make an automated form of trading or AH, so please by all means get that idea out of your head and remove it from further suggestions. Its not going to happen (just like trusting the client) These are principles, these don't change.

Now if you go onto what should and can be discussed be specific on why the current system is an issue. No 3rd party and nonprofessional isn't an argument.