Leave trading alone, don't waste resources on it

/popcorn

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goetzjam wrote:

Did I say the problem was with you,

Yes, you did.

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You honestly have so many problems with this game and the systems that make it unqiue you can't help but to complain or jump on the bandwagon for any and every suggestion people make.

I thought we were too.

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...you seem to be really on the offensive today, I thought we had gotten past this, I guess not. I don't mind change, what I don't want is wasted dev time on stupid or useless thing because people are too ignorant to use what they already have available, GGG isn't going to hold your hand and play the game for you. GGG isn't going to plan your skill tree and tell you no you can't go crit or you can't use that skill.

This is exactly what I was talking about. I say the game needs a good trade system, and your reply is [bolded section].

There's no reason for me to accept poe.trade or Procurement as an excuse for lazy developer decisions. There's no reason I should want to use 3rd party crap. Not only does it have all the negatives I described earlier, but you never know what kind of account security risks come with it--regardless of whatever assurances they try to make. That's the problem with 3rd party tools.

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The game is not suppose to remaining stagnate, but that doesn't mean it should have shitty changes like you (and others) are trying to do. Just look at the fellow people that support your claims with 1-2 line lol current system sucks. That doesn't help your case or help GGG determine why, if they do need to make an AH or trade system that is automated.

I don't care who supports my opinion, or how. That's on them. It does nothing to my claims, because I make them clearly.

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If you go back in time GGG specifically stated long ago they won't make an automated form of trading or AH, so please by all means get that idea out of your head and remove it from further suggestions. Its not going to happen (just like trusting the client) These are principles, these don't change.

These are mistakes, and GGG needs to rectify them. Basing your "principles" on shaky foundations is foolish. Those "statements" are just words. Words they can undo. And should.

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Now if you go onto what should and can be discussed be specific on why the current system is an issue. No 3rd party and nonprofessional isn't an argument.

I already have several times. And yes, unprofessional attitudes are negatively impactful on the game. Furthermore, I have previously suggested a middle ground option where the pro-AH players can get some of they want without the no-AH players losing everything they value in the current system. It's a compromise that would be healthier for the game in the long-term.

I will add the security issues by giving your account access to any third party tool, besides owners of third party sides taking advantage of the forum crawling API running better scripts than the script presented on the main YZX website, wich won't let you filter, for example by number of mods.

I was completely aware of that but somehow I just forgot and gave more importance to the fact of someone scanning the totallity of the items on this game for sale and offering just certain filters to the users.

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There's no reason for me to accept poe.trade or Procurement as an excuse for lazy developer decisions. There's no reason I should want to use 3rd party crap. Not only does it have all the negatives I described earlier, but you never know what kind of account security risks come with it--regardless of whatever assurances they try to make. That's the problem with 3rd party tools.

Except the poe.trade simply indexes the items listed on the forums and all procurement does is create a template for you to list your items on the forums and interact with poe.trade better. To me its quite astounding to say that these 3rd party apps\sites\ect are a risk when they have threads supported by GGG staff, its open source so your free to inspect it, but by all means try to spread incorrect information.

Both poe.trade and procurment is safe to use.

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These are mistakes, and GGG needs to rectify them. Basing your "principles" on shaky foundations is foolish. Those "statements" are just words. Words they can undo. And should.

Those aren't mistake those are design choices and principles, you may think they need changed, but they don't. Its really that simple, your scare tatic on 3rd party is the only actually argument you have against the trade system, which is quite sad.

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I already have several times. And yes, unprofessional attitudes are negatively impactful on the game. Furthermore, I have previously suggested a middle ground option where the pro-AH players can get some of they want without the no-AH players losing everything they value in the current system. It's a compromise that would be healthier for the game in the long-term.

Please refresh us on this one again (or refer to the page)

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goetzjam wrote:

Now if you go onto what should and can be discussed be specific on why the current system is an issue. No 3rd party and nonprofessional isn't an argument.

Actually, they are arguments and not even bad ones.

Anyways, tell me why asynchronous trading wouldn't be a massive improvement for a game that runs a single global realm.

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kruemel2222 wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Now if you go onto what should and can be discussed be specific on why the current system is an issue. No 3rd party and nonprofessional isn't an argument.

Actually, they are arguments and not even bad ones.

Anyways, tell me why asynchronous trading wouldn't be a massive improvement for a game that runs a single global realm.

I am in favor for a system that supports limited amount of asynchronous trading. Quite a few items people have with very specific stats you want or rare corruptions, but having to both be online to trade makes it difficult.

I support a method similar to the steam offer system (this would be trade thru the forums) where you can, on a case by case basis sell an item to another player without both being online and in the game at the same time. This is something Chris stated they would work on adding.

I do not support replacing what we have with an AH or completely automated list your item and collect money later system. As stated in this thread it removes a core concept the game was founded on and an interaction method between players.

Then you have nothing to worry about because the trading system proposed by GGG wont have automated buyouts. As seen here: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/758533/filter-account-type/staff

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goetzjam wrote:

Please refresh us on this one again (or refer to the page)

That would be this thread. I linked it on like page 4 or something in this thread.

It basically gives you the automated listing aspects an AH would, but doesn't include B/O and provides for asynchronous trading. That's why I said it was a compromise. Both sides get the core things they want out of it.

That isn't much different then the idea I support using the forums to facilitate asyncranious trading and what Chris stated here (2nd 1/2)

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/758533/filter-account-type/staff

I think they've retracted the idea for creating a store ingame.

Only thing is that proposed system doesn't replace the existing one, it simply supplements it, so if you have issues with 3rd party and forums now, you still will have problems later.

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goetzjam wrote:

You are confusing the economy with trading here, trading doesn't "suck" more in standard the economy is significantly different. You won't sell the same sort of items you can sell in the leagues in standard or if you can not for anywhere near the same price, this is an economy issue, not a trading issue.

How am I supposed to care about this point? GGG isn't going to make the economy any better in standard so obviously I am going to want a better trading system. I don't give a shit if trading is better in the temporary leagues, I don't play there, end of story.

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You've never sold a gem listed threw the forums? I have and I don't even list that many items. I can see how results from spamming trade chat are more favorable as sometimes people just see a deal or forget they've been looking for something until they see it, this is a purchase of opportunity more then likely, not necessity.

One big advantage of trade chat is that you are both online to trade right then. Forums you have that extra bit of difficulty meeting up with people. But no I haven't traded a gem through the forums in forever.