Save up forever for a crown of eyes. Get shit all over.

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Veruski wrote:

so slayer says/claims that leaks don't happen/can't happen (100% not true)

then somebody points to him a classic counterexample

response: "i don't know about that"

yeah OK slayer...

credibility = zero

Can we get this guy muted please?

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podvarak wrote:

Yes but u miss one big info here.What is difference in price between CoE and Volls. 1c to 45 ex something like that? Just refund players with 40-50 ex(or something like that).

It was your fool choice to buy the most overpowered item in the game expecting its value to triple. Get wrecked is all I have to say to any of you people who keep whining.

The price on COE probably won't even drop because it is still awesome and it is still unique compared to all other helms.

GGG u watch this? Now some random dude think i am total fool(which i am, thank's) cause i farmed like 1 month Dominus for this item. I just hope once patch come out things not gonna look bad like now.

Btw i dont even whine just hope something like this never happens again. It is not healthy for game itself and community. I will be happy to totally delete all that story called "low life".

Nah he's indicating that you could/should get suspicious if someone offers you a Rolex for 5$. If you bought it for your build it's probably still BiS, if you bought it because you thought it goes legacy well.. your gamble went wrong.

Please nerf ST supports and auras .... ah wait I will be nerfed :)))

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ggnorekthx wrote:

It was your fool choice to buy the most overpowered item in the game expecting its value to triple. Get wrecked is all I have to say to any of you people who keep whining.

The price on COE probably won't even drop because it is still awesome and it is still unique compared to all other helms.

This is the worst kind of attitude. As if everyone who owns one bought it 5 seconds before the announcement with the goal of making a profit. The problem with changes like this is that it prevents people from doing any kind of long term planning. The people who have enough money to buy up 50 ex items to make a profit aren't going to be affected. It's the people who spent hundreds of hours farming so they could buy one and maybe one day put together a powerful build that are affected.

Now what are they going to do? Farm Dominus to afford another big ticket unique, when all the evidence they have suggests that GGG can just undo all their hard work by retroactively changing how the item functions? That kind of uncertainty isn't something that GGG wants to foster in people. Eventually people are just going to stop bothering, and the game will die.

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Veruski wrote:

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Emphasy wrote:

So it is not the first time that happened.

Actually, it is. Volls was buffed, not nerfed.

The only other example of an item that was directly nerfed and NOT made legacy was The Vertex -- but in that example it was changed within a day of it being found by players.

You don't really seem to understand that there is no technical difference in buffing or nerfing. Yeah Kaoms was also buffed and you still had to reroll the new stats, while the other Kaoms was nerfed. So if there isn't a difference in creating legacy items depending on buff or nerf, why should it matter for not creating one?.

Its simply a technical reason. Of course it is one they could avoid, but they never cared about legacy or no legacy. Changing numeric values creates legacies and it doesn't matter if the legacy is better or worse. Changing mod-mechanics does not create legacy items.

That was even explained first with Volls and again with Vertex.

The only way to forcefully create a unique here would be to create a new mod, leave the old one be and create an intirely new CoE, which uses Mod-143 instead of Mod-117 (well the numbers are made up, but that would be how it works I assume). Which means they would have a relic-mod just for the sake of creating legacy items which most people don't really seem to want in the first place.

So in both cases they just go for the easiest solution. For numeric values that means creating a legacy item for mod-changes that means not creating legacy items.


It should be really obvious that they don't really care about legacies. For them it is actually good that people are stupid enough to not see the pattern and believe in some strange conspiracies, because that way the influence on the market is rather low. If you would have been smart you would have dropped your CoEs a week ago.

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Malone wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

jack em dem legacy prices

If they modify the mod, there won't be any legacy.

This guy isn't an Alpha Tester and I don't think he even has a CoE, but he obviously was smart enough to notice how changing items work. He pointed out the obvious 5 days ago.

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4) It's basically 100% probability that GGG employees leaked it to individuals. Little birds have told me things in the past about such changes, and it was very reliable/accurate.

If that would be true it would have been on reddit and people would have tried to get rid of their CoEs before. If you leak it out to a few you basically leak it out to everyone.

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5) I can't believe you would say item stats are not pertinent to testing.

They aren't. Balance-testing isn't the purpose of Alpha-Testers. They might discover new values if they are already there. But there seems to be no reason for GGG to put those changes on the Alpha-Realm early. Also there seems to be no indication that those information leaked out before, because this would result in increased CoE-sales, which didn't really happen in the last days. So either Alpha-Testers didn't know it, kept it for themself or only told it people who kept it for themself and who didn't own CoE.

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so slayer says/claims that leaks don't happen/can't happen (100% not true)

then somebody points to him a classic counterexample

response: "i don't know about that"

yeah OK slayer...

credibility = zero

Actually there isn't even a proof that this even happened and the Pic wasn't shared by a Dev, which seems likely, because they normally give a preview of some item-changes, like they did with CoE this time.

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podvarak wrote:

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

They could change the numerical values easy on the other OP legacies just like they knocked granite flasks from 4000 to 3000 despite thousands out there, they just don't want to.

Making legacy Kaoms 500 life would be same thing as granite change.

No, it would not. The granite change was to the base item type. All such changes necessarily change all items of that type.
Changing Kaoms would be a change to the value of a specific mod on the item. This requires doing an item migration with a custom script, resulting in massive downtime while migrating every item on the realm.
The equivalent of the Granite change for Kaoms would be changing the base armour of Glorious Plates (which we could do, and would affect existing ones). Changing the value or a rolled mod is entirely different.

The base value of the Granite Flask type, like the base value of the armour rating on Glorious Plates, is stored in a lookup table which all items of that type point to, rather than all that data being duplicated by separately storing that information in each item of the type. Thus changing that data would only be a change in one place, and would always affect all items of the type.

By contrast, the value of the rolled unique mod on Kaom's Heart is stored in the specific item it was rolled on, like all other rolled mods. Because mods by their nature must support the ability for two instances to have different values. Thus changing this requires changing it separately on each item changed, and won't affect other items.

With Crown of Eyes, we did not change the value of a mod (which would have made old ones legacy), we changed the mechanic it uses to work differently - we effectively changed the game mechanic the item uses, not the item itself. Each item stores the mod it has, and it's value, neither of which changed. What that mod causes to happen changes, and that of course isn't something stored separately in each item, but in code that modifies calculations. This isn't the first time this has happened (Volls comes to mind), and it may not be the last.

Yes but u miss one big info here.What is difference in price between CoE and Volls. 1c to 45 ex something like that? Just refund players with 40-50 ex(or something like that).

Thank you for this!

There's a really big difference between nerf a "Big" item VS a "Trash" one. 1 month worth of currency...... sigh.

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Stop Crying because your OP damage is going to be nerfed just a little bit.

Anyone who does low life scrubcore build, needs to pick up a pen and a pad and do something else. Its stupid in so many ways . I ask GGG to remove shavrones from the game, that will make 1/2 the SC players have a reason to be med. because you dont all get to lowlife one shot atziri anymore. boohoo

There is no skill involved when you stand there and just kill everything and because you have high damage leech back everything especially with atziri gloves.

Go Play Arc, DualStrike, Rain of arrows, freeze pulse, LIFE BASED spectral throw, something that doesnt breeze you through the game, what a boring and lame way to play, take not all of you shav scrubs

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Blade1405 wrote:

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Stop Crying because your OP damage is going to be nerfed just a little bit.

Anyone who does low life scrubcore build, needs to pick up a pen and a pad and do something else. Its stupid in so many ways . I ask GGG to remove shavrones from the game, that will make 1/2 the SC players have a reason to be med. because you dont all get to lowlife one shot atziri anymore. boohoo

There is no skill involved when you stand there and just kill everything and because you have high damage leech back everything especially with atziri gloves.

Go Play Arc, DualStrike, Rain of arrows, freeze pulse, LIFE BASED spectral throw, something that doesnt breeze you through the game, what a boring and lame way to play, take not all of you shav scrubs

Such advice, Much help. So w0w!