[2.1 Ghazzy - Summoner Guides] Low Budget Builds

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kamilrogoz wrote:

It's not a rage post, I'm just a little bit puzzled about this achivment.
He is claiming as being the world first summoner to kill Uber, yet he using SRS build. I know many people that run SRS and all of them consider themself as a spellcaters rather than summoners. I understand that this gem belongs to category 'Minions' but Passive Tree and equipment is oriented towards 'Spell' attack skills.

My view is: Regardless of what people who play SRS builds consider themselves as, they are still summoners. The skill is a minion skill, it scales off of minion gear stats, minion gems and minion-related passive points in the tree. No other spell, besides other summoning ones, can do that. The additional bonus to scale off of the +fire gem level stats on gear is great, but can't change them from minion to solely spellcasting.
BTW, I use a SRS build and consider myself a summoner. :)

Edit: I forgot to ask, aside from the +fire on gear and I guess cast speed on the tree, what other spell-oriented passives/gear does this kind of build attract that would make people consider it less summoner, more spellcaster? (legit question, cause it is early in the morning for me and my brain is still not too functional :p)

*HB-SRS Summoner added

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GoatEatingToilet wrote:

... Edit: I forgot to ask, aside from the +fire on gear and I guess cast speed on the tree, what other spell-oriented passives/gear does this kind of build attract that would make people consider it less summoner, more spellcaster? (legit question, cause it is early in the morning for me and my brain is still not too functional :p)

The Build has been updated with my HB-SRS Summoner build revealed to the world. SRS doesn't benefit from spell dmg nor do they benefit from fire dmg so i don't see any other passives being attractive more than cast speed, minion nodes, auras, skill effects and/or defensive aspects of the skill tree.

When it comes to attractive gear, I havn't given it much thought as the more ES you can get the better when using a staff or NA as i did pre-patch. Which kind of limits the gear choices.

I put SRS in the same category as skeletons, temporary minions. And if u don't consider skeles a summon then idk what you guys think an actual summoner is.

Skeletons benefits from faster casting too.

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mattc3303 wrote:

I put SRS in the same category as skeletons, temporary minions. And if u don't consider skeles a summon then idk what you guys think an actual summoner is.

Skeletons benefits from faster casting too.

Yup

I enjoyed your uber video.

If you use the 3 vaal haste charge trick you will be able to do the clone phases with no problem. (charge 3 gems, swap them after you complete each clone phase, pop VH right before next clone phase). See video if still unclear.

I noticed you were attacking mirror clone during the 2nd clone phase I believe. You did kill her eventually, but if you do the vaal haste swap, your DPS will be high enough that you should convocate onto non-mirror clone. If you attack mirror, spirits will die without killing her, the others they will instagib probably.

Also consider the following setup: SE-MS-Emp-MSplash-MD and swap MSplash for MPD. It's slightly less efficient but you get better single target than added fire. Melee on full life is an other better option than added fire. If you can do double curse, then added fire may be good with flammability.

I like VSS for distracting trio. What do you think about animated weapons or zombies (1L or 2L) for distracting atziri's spears? I used it at normal, and it seemed to help a little. Maybe at uber even a little help is good though. Maybe a 3L animate weapon instead of VSS.

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MatrixFactor wrote:

I enjoyed your uber video.

If you use the 3 vaal haste charge trick you will be able to do the clone phases with no problem. (charge 3 gems, swap them after you complete each clone phase, pop VH right before next clone phase). See video if still unclear.

I noticed you were attacking mirror clone during the 2nd clone phase I believe. You did kill her eventually, but if you do the vaal haste swap, your DPS will be high enough that you should convocate onto non-mirror clone. If you attack mirror, spirits will die without killing her, the others they will instagib probably.

Also consider the following setup: SE-MS-Emp-MSplash-MD and swap MSplash for MPD. It's slightly less efficient but you get better single target than added fire. Melee on full life is an other better option than added fire. If you can do double curse, then added fire may be good with flammability.

I like VSS for distracting trio. What do you think about animated weapons or zombies (1L or 2L) for distracting atziri's spears? I used it at normal, and it seemed to help a little. Maybe at uber even a little help is good though. Maybe a 3L animate weapon instead of VSS.

I don't have time to use more spells than i already am using so anything involding gem swapping during this fight is a no go.

Thanks to "Zerkersummoner" we did some calculations on the actual DPS, i do 2.3mil DPS and during Vaal Haste i do 4.5mil DPS when gear is finished.

Watch my video, gem swapping just 1 gem isn't that hard. It's not needed for normal atziri, but will help you for uber.

Also your dps spreadsheet is hard to follow, and it's not clear how you get 4.5M. I've had a SRS calculator out for a while (meaning others have helped by pointing out mistakes), and I get 3.25M. This is against 75/75/75 resist, 54% aura effect, 39% generosity linked to Hatred, Flesh offering, Vaal Haste, EE, double curse flammability+ele weakness, L28 spirit, 90% duration, 60% cast total from tree/gear (not counting auras), and spirit supported by Emp L4, MPD, MS, MoFL, SE 20/20. I'm also assuming the 20% nerf is a flat 20% even at levels past 20. It's probably more. Also don't forget that spirits idle for 0.5sec before attacking, so you can't use the full spirit duration to estimate the number of active spirits. Once we know the actual 1.2 DPS values you should do a explicit calculation line-by-line.

Finally, I wonder if a life/es hybrid could get more EHP than lowlife. I mean the benefit of lowlife is running PoL and PoF, but a hybrid can use life flasks to heal 4-5k HP, and doesn't get shocked as easily.

Anyways, I'll stop messing with your thread. Happy to see SRS killing uber. Good luck.

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MatrixFactor wrote:

Watch my video, gem swapping just 1 gem isn't that hard. It's not needed for normal atziri, but will help you for uber.

Also your dps spreadsheet is hard to follow, and it's not clear how you get 4.5M. I've had a SRS calculator out for a while (meaning others have helped by pointing out mistakes), and I get 3.25M. This is against 75/75/75 resist, 54% aura effect, 39% generosity linked to Hatred, Flesh offering, Vaal Haste, EE, double curse flammability+ele weakness, L28 spirit, 90% duration, 60% cast total from tree/gear (not counting auras), and spirit supported by Emp L4, MPD, MS, MoFL, SE 20/20. I'm also assuming the 20% nerf is a flat 20% even at levels past 20. It's probably more. Also don't forget that spirits idle for 0.5sec before attacking, so you can't use the full spirit duration to estimate the number of active spirits. Once we know the actual 1.2 DPS values you should do a explicit calculation line-by-line.

Finally, I wonder if a life/es hybrid could get more EHP than lowlife. I mean the benefit of lowlife is running PoL and PoF, but a hybrid can use life flasks to heal 4-5k HP, and doesn't get shocked as easily.

Anyways, I'll stop messing with your thread. Happy to see SRS killing uber. Good luck.

I had help with the calculations from Zerkersummoner, i sent him a spreadsheet of the SRS statistics that only missed out on not showing us the Crit Multiplier so we ignored calculating their 5% crit chance.*

* The Spreadsheet was supplied to me via Simon_GGG.


I don't see no benefit in going HP or Hybrid build with this. Now that i got a feeling for the fight i don't see any special use for any vaal gems during the Uber Atziri fight at least. I will be able to tank 1 lightning strike as well as 1 flameblast with 1 Topaz and 1 Ruby Flask during the clone phase. So the only time i actually have to move is if there is more than 1 Lightning Strike under me.
Keep in mind that allowing me to do this will allow me to continuesly spam SRS to avoid any downtime of DPS output which will drop Uber Atziri before she actually pops the flameblast (in most situations).

The DPS calculation was done by Zerkersummoner whilst i was streaming today so i havn't looked at it myself more than the spreadsheet we got from Simon_GGG earlier today. We'll doublecheck everything and make it look easier to scan. (Also assuming 75/75/75).


A small note though: Generosity on Vaal Haste, due to dmnishing returns on the atk speed i do believe we benefit A LOT more having the cast speed towards us as well despite dmnishing returns on our cast speed, i get about 10 more Spirits with vaal haste which is a bigger DPS gain than putting generosity for the other spirits. Don't forget that due to precasting desecrate and flesh offering as well as spell totem for EE causes me to not always have 100% of my SRS up when the clone phase pops.

And lastly it is important to know that the gear that is supposed to be used for this build is not yet finished, a brief calculation stated that i can reach about 50% more DPS than i have in the kill-vid. (The DPS calculated is based on BiS Gear, NOT current gear).

Aint Alphas Howl better than+2minions gem with current setup gems and build?