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grepman wrote:
actually literally any build out there can take advantage of a shield that ignores all ranged damage. All it needs is a rs gem and a dead evangelist. An ele buzzsaw build or lowliffe shave build can build pretty powerful evangelist bodyguard for you with all them auras, while you still deal boatload of DPS.
Yeah, but they actually sacrifice a gem slot to achieve that(versus not running Raise Spectre). The advantage of summoners is that you can get a full 6L'ed Envangelist with 99% uptime on the shield at zero cost. That's the difference.
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Posted byXasrai#2038on Jun 18, 2014, 5:26:06 AM
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Mark_GGG wrote:
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enkaekae wrote:
Does that mean that If I cast RF with my searing touch
and then swap to other weapon, RF's damage will be
recalculated according to the new weapon?
Yes.
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enkaekae wrote:
And If you remove the gem, it is recalculated without supports,
and If you put back the gem, it is again recalculated?
No. If you remove the gem, it can no longer tell which supports should count, as no supports are technically equipped to the gem - so it uses the last known information about the skill when the gem was equipped - the set of supports that were equipped at the point the gem was removed will persist.
Honestly I think you're being precious about your burning to death fluff here. No other skill in the game will continue to work if you take it off. Fluff should bow to mechanics here.
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Posted byDracoArgentum#1923on Jun 18, 2014, 5:26:24 AM
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Sneakypaw wrote:
Read again. We said it is a GEM net gain.
no, xasri said it was a net gain and then YOU jumped in to talk about gems.
STILL waiting to hear how it's a gain or advantage. STILL waiting for you to back up your claim.
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You are using one 6link item but are using 6 or more different support gems in total for your different specrtres. Which is a GEM net gain of X-5 for this particular 6link item.
this is retorted and refuted by my PREVIOUS posts. why did you bother stating the same crap that was already refuted?
if i can have 4 spectres, 1 spectre is only .25 of the skill. HERP DERP.
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Posted byrobmafia#7456on Jun 18, 2014, 5:28:18 AM
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Seems a pretty obvious change to me
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Posted byMelpheos#2765on Jun 18, 2014, 5:29:52 AM
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Xasrai wrote:
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grepman wrote:
actually literally any build out there can take advantage of a shield that ignores all ranged damage. All it needs is a rs gem and a dead evangelist. An ele buzzsaw build or lowliffe shave build can build pretty powerful evangelist bodyguard for you with all them auras, while you still deal boatload of DPS.
Yeah, but they actually sacrifice a gem slot to achieve that(versus not running Raise Spectre). The advantage of summoners is that you can get a full 6L'ed Envangelist with 99% uptime on the shield at zero cost. That's the difference.
...so now your complaint is based on allocating slots and skill tree passives?!
face fucking palm.
(it's the only difference from a summoner raising a spectre vs another char raising a spectre)
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Posted byrobmafia#7456on Jun 18, 2014, 5:29:56 AM
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beeing able to summon 1 defensiv , 2 offensiv and 1 utility spectre is by far superior to 4 defensiv or 4 offensiv zpectre. Period.
explain.
you won't. because you can't.
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Posted byrobmafia#7456on Jun 18, 2014, 5:30:44 AM
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Xasrai wrote:
This is simply not true. The utility gained for a summoner by being able to swap out those support gems gives them both offensive and defensive capabilities that NO OTHER BUILD has access to.
*facepalm*
4 offensive spectres = 4 offensive spectres
4 defensive spectres = 4 defensive spectres
4 utility spectres = 4 utility spectres
get it?
2 offensive, 1 defensive, and 1 utility = 4 spectres. holy shit, 2+1+1 stillequals 4!
you act as if 4 magically becomes >4, if someone chooses to diversify them.
you're wrong. THERE'S NO NET GAIN. LEARN WHAT YOUR OWN KEYWORDS MEAN.
2 defensive and 2 offensive lacks the killing speed of 4 offensive and lacks the tankiness of 4 defensive. it's not magically better, just because you ignorantly think so.
you said it's a "net gain." and then you failed to ever support this claim, while vehemently arguing it.
Let's look at it another way:
If there is no benefit to you in having 2 Offensive, 1 Defensive and 1 Utility, then WHY DO YOU DO IT? There is a clear gain for you in swapping out your gems, which is an UNINTENDED SIDE EFFECT OF SNAPSHOTTING THAT GGG WANT TO FIX.
Deal with it.
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Posted byXasrai#2038on Jun 18, 2014, 5:31:47 AM
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Xasrai wrote:
Let's look at it another way:
If there is no benefit to you in having 2 Offensive, 1 Defensive and 1 Utility, then WHY DO YOU DO IT? There is a clear gain for you in swapping out your gems, which is an UNINTENDED SIDE EFFECT OF SNAPSHOTTING THAT GGG WANT TO FIX.
Deal with it.
THIS WAS ANSWERED ABOUT 50 TIMES NOW. FUN. IT'S MORE FUN TO HAVE DIFFERENT SPECTRES. HERP DERP. IT'S LESS BORING. LESS MONOTONOUS. LESS UNIFORM.
how many times does the same thing need to be stated before you comprehend it?!
for the 50th time - WHAT IS THIS CLEAR GAIN? SAY IT, ALREADY! you keep stating it as if it's a fact, when you have NEVER explained how/why it's a gain!
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Posted byrobmafia#7456on Jun 18, 2014, 5:33:54 AM
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robmafia wrote:
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Xasrai wrote:
Let's look at it another way:
If there is no benefit to you in having 2 Offensive, 1 Defensive and 1 Utility, then WHY DO YOU DO IT? There is a clear gain for you in swapping out your gems, which is an UNINTENDED SIDE EFFECT OF SNAPSHOTTING THAT GGG WANT TO FIX.
Deal with it.
THIS WAS ANSWERED ABOUT 50 TIMES NOW. FUN. IT'S MORE FUN TO HAVE DIFFERENT SPECTRES. HERP DERP. IT'S LESS BORING. LESS MONOTONOUS. LESS UNIFORM.
how many times does the same thing need to be stated before you comprehend it?!
for the 50th time - WHAT IS THIS CLEAR GAIN? SAY IT, ALREADY! you keep stating it as if it's a fact, when you have NEVER explained how/why it's a gain!
The clear gain is this: 1 Single defensive 6L'd Undying Evangelist isn't the equivalent of 1/4 of 4. Having 4 of them benefits you not much more than a single one. Being able to rid yourself of 3 redundant Evangelists BY SWAPPING OUT YOUR GEMS AND SNAPSHOTTING YOUR EVANGELIST means that you can INCREASE your DPS while getting more than 1/4 of the protection that 4 Evangelists would offer. That is a net increase of >25% in defence AND and increase of 75% in offence. 3 Offence + 1 Defence is >100% because that defence doesn't scale with more evangelists.
You know it, you just choose to ignore this reality. It's bullshit, GGG has spoken and is changing it.
Deal with it.
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Posted byXasrai#2038on Jun 18, 2014, 5:41:55 AM
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Mark_GGG wrote:
All minions will dynamically update to all stat and support gem changes.
New type of desync?
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Posted bySemarogin#7457on Jun 18, 2014, 5:43:04 AM
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