System Requirements for PoE is a joke

Minimum specs basically means will the game load and run. It means nothing about FPS

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Minimum specs basically means will the game load and run. It means nothing about FPS

Yeah... this point seems lost on a bunch of folks in this thread.

Most of the QQ in this thread would be properly directed towards optimization for mid-range and high end PCs. Has nothing to do with system requirements or minimum specs. The game is playable just fine on minimum spec machines.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Minimum specs basically means will the game load and run. It means nothing about FPS

Just getting it to run means nothing with the ability to run programs that can bypass the minimal hardware checks. Minimal requirements actually are only about a playable fps on the lowest settings, and they use detection to prevent those on hardware deemed unable to run the game from normally starting the game.


By your definition everything qualifies under minimal requirements because anything can get the game to start using stuff like 3d analyze and spoofing. And that also means that your forgetting that they detect and block hardware they deem is below the requirements needed to get a decent fps but still capable of running the game (I have a older ati card that fits that in a system I use as a file server). I can use 3d analyze to run the game just fine to disable their hardware check, but its not an acceptable framerate so.....



edit - the card runs the game just fine at the title screen and in town, just not actually playing in dungeons with a decent framerate... thus it meets your idea of minimal but not mine or GGG's since they detect the card and pop up an error saying its below requirements normally.

No, not all cards can get the game to load and run. Some cards are so old, they don't have the proper shader (?) Version.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

No, not all cards can get the game to load and run. Some cards are so old, they don't have the proper shader (?) Version.

3d analyze can force older shader versions, emulate them through software or disable them entirely... so ya, they can run it just not with decent framerates. And software emulation is slow but at times passable, at least for just getting it to start up.

edit - there is also swift shader and other software emulation methods... just not worth trying because the fps drops immensely.

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Jiero wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Minimum specs basically means will the game load and run. It means nothing about FPS

Just getting it to run means nothing with the ability to run programs that can bypass the minimal hardware checks. Minimal requirements actually are only about a playable fps on the lowest settings, and they use detection to prevent those on hardware deemed unable to run the game from normally starting the game.


By your definition everything qualifies under minimal requirements because anything can get the game to start using stuff like 3d analyze and spoofing. And that also means that your forgetting that they detect and block hardware they deem is below the requirements needed to get a decent fps but still capable of running the game (I have a older ati card that fits that in a system I use as a file server). I can use 3d analyze to run the game just fine to disable their hardware check, but its not an acceptable framerate so.....



edit - the card runs the game just fine at the title screen and in town, just not actually playing in dungeons with a decent framerate... thus it meets your idea of minimal but not mine or GGG's since they detect the card and pop up an error saying its below requirements normally.

Game is playable on a dated midrange APU. Your post is invalid.

I had to install my old Nvidia GTX 560 because my Radeon 7970 is dead (yay AMD quality). PoE runs so much smoother now. It sickens me a bit.

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tackle70 wrote:

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Jiero wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Minimum specs basically means will the game load and run. It means nothing about FPS

Just getting it to run means nothing with the ability to run programs that can bypass the minimal hardware checks. Minimal requirements actually are only about a playable fps on the lowest settings, and they use detection to prevent those on hardware deemed unable to run the game from normally starting the game.


By your definition everything qualifies under minimal requirements because anything can get the game to start using stuff like 3d analyze and spoofing. And that also means that your forgetting that they detect and block hardware they deem is below the requirements needed to get a decent fps but still capable of running the game (I have a older ati card that fits that in a system I use as a file server). I can use 3d analyze to run the game just fine to disable their hardware check, but its not an acceptable framerate so.....



edit - the card runs the game just fine at the title screen and in town, just not actually playing in dungeons with a decent framerate... thus it meets your idea of minimal but not mine or GGG's since they detect the card and pop up an error saying its below requirements normally.

Game is playable on a dated midrange APU. Your post is invalid.

I said minimal requirements is not a matter of simply starting up the game and is a matter of perfomance (fps)* ...

You basically said, this gpu has acceptable performance and thus meets minimal requirements... somehow making me wrong in saying that a card needs to have decent performance to be considered minimal requirements? You do know that is exactly what I said, which is why you used the word playable instead of saying it will simply start the game up.



*since it doesn't matter if it is hardware based or software emulated for the shader, or if they are being downgraded or disabled, running is running. Thus meaning that simply starting up cannot be a definition for minimal requirements, it has to be performance based.

Why would the devs, of any game, assume you're running an emulator? The min specs, AS THEY ARE LISTED, is what matters.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Why would the devs, of any game, assume you're running an emulator? The min specs, AS THEY ARE LISTED, is what matters.

They wouldn't and and shouldn't... they don't care IF the pixel is being shaded, they just care about its speed of being shaded. That is the point, its not IF it can run but how well it can. That is what minimal specs are, performance requirements. That is why they are listed as that, that hardware was at one point tested and determined to provide an acceptable level of performance in a series of tests (just barely). They then went and added detection methods to block anything below that point during development because that was their target performance level during it.


If it was really just to get it running then they would include swift shader in the application folder to allow those without hardware shaders to run them them in software wrappers at horrid fps rates (depends on cpu speed)... but it isn't. Its about a minimal level of hardware acceleration to get those shaders running at a set level of expected framerates.


edit - the problem we're running into now is that those minimal specs were tested back prior to closed beta, back when there were just the two acts. Since then they added act 3, act 3x, blood rain, the rain in the gardens, shocked ground, fracture mod, burning ground, and a LOT more... they need to rerun those tests to certify what is the new benchmark minimal specs as of the current state of the game.


I just see them as unwilling to do that because they likely won't like what the results would be....





AND to provide an example: I have a really old spare pc with a 2.2ghz p4 and a 256mb PCI (not pcie) card that can boot the game and run most of it at 28-33fps. It is well below the posted minimal specs but can boot the game and run most of it fine... however at the time of testing their minimal posted requirements it would not be able to provide the fps needed on vaal to consider it playable, thus its below minimal requirements (both mine and yours). So if minimal requires are as you say (just to boot the game up) then this system would not be able to do so because its that far below the minimal specs (and it wouldn't run any areas at 33 fps).