{3.2.0} Spectral Gods: [Life Based Spectre/Golem Hybrid Summoner | Clear Speed | End Game Bossing]

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SupremeCookie wrote:

OP or Sarah..

I get pretty much one shot by any boss/unique mob - could you take a look at my build and see where I might be going wrong?

Thanks.

From a quick peek you shouldn't have any issues with roughly ~6.6k EHP (inc. ES and MoM) as long as you don't turn on your Purity (with Purity on you'd have around 700s mana, which is not enough for MoM to run properly), you could try grabbing a few more jewels for the flat life and try to get that to above 7.5k, but I've farmed Guardians and Shaper with only a bit more EHP than yours (around 7.7k) without any issue. Oh and yes, like Edward said, you might want to consider Bloodgrip if you don't have the mana gained corruption on Aylardex.

I haven't used Frost Sentinels in quite sometime, and you didn't specify if DPS is an issue so I'm betting on your being fine on that aspect.

Edward already pointed out a bunch of other improvements you might want to consider, so just try them out :)

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XEdwardElricX wrote:

Also Sarah my Specters (81) had a rough time on my first ever Shaper attempt. They got killed by what I think was the blue stuff on the ground, because I didn't properly proc them outside of the middle area. Any issues with Specters dying at Shaper or was that me just not doing mechanics correctly? Beam/Projectiles/Slam were pretty easy to deal with, but I lost track of orbs and I think they killed specters, or maybe them being 81 not 84 was the game changer. The only thing I have left with my build is getting the EX jewels that have all 4 mods that I want instead of just 3. I'm thinking of Minion skill gives 15-20% minion damage would be better for boss fights than the Cast/attack speed on kill?

My damage wasn't an issue, I killed Shaper faster than a lot of other builds I've seen do it, but my Specters died, and I did also I think cause of poor mechanic handling. I just wish to max this build out for boss killing, and I think jewels and getting my 84 Specters (which I could do with my Empower) is only thing left to my build.

Firstly, there's a huge difference between a level 81 Solar Guards and level 84 Solar Guards. And yes, while I did mention that my spectres almost never died, there are a few things that could potentially kill them, the Red Elder's third phase blast, Mino's rocks when 2+ stacks, that Amumu Abyss boss chaos spikes on red maps, Uber Atziri trio, stupid broken trap bleeds, Daresso in Shaper's realm and lastly Shaper's bullet hell. And yes, they will die to these things, and yes mine have died to these things. So I don't think it's your fault, it's just the way it is and it gets significantly easier to micromanage your Spectres the more you do Shaper runs. On a note, there's a way for them to survive some of these, but the amount of investment required is not worth just avoiding them getting hit by it.

Yes, the increased minion damage after using minion skill is better than cast speed after minion kill for bossing purposes. Which is why I put them at the top of my previous post on jewel mods grading. The only reason why I didn't go for them was because I opted to be slightly a more all rounder. You'll get a noticeable difference in boss killing if you can get 2 of those perfect jewels on a Darkness Enthroned, that single mod alone on two jewels is close to the damage bonus Scourge gives you.

For shaper runs, as long as you don't allow them to tank Bullet hell and Daresso's swords they should be fine, the Vortex ground only hurts when they're not hitting anything and you don't want them standing on top of those in the first place.

@Sarah

How do you prevent spectres from dying to the bullets (specifically Lvl84 Vanguards, what I'm using to farm him atm).

I try Convocating them inside the bubble but they wander around and I usually lose at least 1 (and that's even after trying out Minion Resist gem instead of Efficacy).

Thanks for this build. It's my first end-game char hehe. My solar guards are basically slaying mobs. But I always die on breaches. Can you look into my build if I have missed something? I'm using 2 essence worm cause my auras are chugging my mana and I don't have enough mana for MoM. Thanks in advance ^_^

This are my items as of the moment:

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Leezu wrote:

Thanks for this build. It's my first end-game char hehe. My solar guards are basically slaying mobs. But I always die on breaches. Can you look into my build if I have missed something? I'm using 2 essence worm cause my auras are chugging my mana and I don't have enough mana for MoM. Thanks in advance ^_^

This are my items as of the moment:

Noone uses 2 essence worms... the point of using one, is to get a free aura without reserving mana. is u take MOM and u have a aura that reserve 40% more, how r you going to survive end game mods.

The problem with this build is, it's very squishy. U have to actively dodge stuff. U have no armor, just minimum evade, no block (assuming u took aegis), no spell block, no dodge.

Try removing aegis and see if the reduce dps helps yr survivability. Then tune the build to what u are farming/doing. This build focus on clear speed, means u have to out gear the map tiers u r doing.

can you change guardian's items?

A quick question:
Do MF gears like Bisco's Collar work on Solar Guard ?
Why people keep telling me they do not ?

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Xafniko wrote:

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Leezu wrote:

Thanks for this build. It's my first end-game char hehe. My solar guards are basically slaying mobs. But I always die on breaches. Can you look into my build if I have missed something? I'm using 2 essence worm cause my auras are chugging my mana and I don't have enough mana for MoM. Thanks in advance ^_^

This are my items as of the moment:

Noone uses 2 essence worms... the point of using one, is to get a free aura without reserving mana. is u take MOM and u have a aura that reserve 40% more, how r you going to survive end game mods.

The problem with this build is, it's very squishy. U have to actively dodge stuff. U have no armor, just minimum evade, no block (assuming u took aegis), no spell block, no dodge.

Try removing aegis and see if the reduce dps helps yr survivability. Then tune the build to what u are farming/doing. This build focus on clear speed, means u have to out gear the map tiers u r doing.

Thank you for responding. so having haste on an essence worm and purity of elements in the other parts of gear should do it. I'll try removing aegis if it can increase my survivability then ^_^.

Hey, I'm trying a different approach of the build (changed a little bit the Passive Tree) and definitely don't like Necromantic Aegis at all, so I'm guessing Victario's Charity is not a solid item choice for me. What shield do you guys think could replace it? Ahn's Heritage or some rare/Shaped shield?

Also, what more I could improve in my build? Currently I am farming very good around T10~T11 maps, but I feel I could improve a lot (also, running 3 SG + 1 Cannibal Fire-Eater, I noticed my DPS in packs is still good and improved on the bosses).

This is my gear:

Quick Question: Is Abyss jewel better than the regular jewel ??

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ohhbaby87 wrote:

@Sarah

How do you prevent spectres from dying to the bullets (specifically Lvl84 Vanguards, what I'm using to farm him atm).

I try Convocating them inside the bubble but they wander around and I usually lose at least 1 (and that's even after trying out Minion Resist gem instead of Efficacy).

Normally what I do is not to convo immediately into Zana's bubble, but wait another second or two or right when something hit my spectres. If one of them for some reason wander around outside like idiots, I usually just move slightly to the opposing direction and force him to follow me inside the bubble. The only problem is when you need to do both that and trying to hit Shaper's Vortex Ball to not be inside the bubble, if this is the case, I normally just do a sudoku move (since I'm playing SC) and lose some exp (I really don't care about dying on any of my character post 93) instead of losing a spectre, granted this is not a smart move, I'm just lazy like that.

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lolyndasmu wrote:

can you change guardian's items?

Yup, just clik on a new piece of gear and the old one'll get replaced.

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zhangzheng wrote:

A quick question:
Do MF gears like Bisco's Collar work on Solar Guard ?
Why people keep telling me they do not ?

No disrespect, but those people don't know what they're talking about, since this has been (re)confirmed on multiple occasions by GGG that IIR/IIQ effect on your character gets added to your minions when they deal the killing blow, and any on-hit IIR/IIQ effect affecting minions (like IIR/IIQ gem) is added on top of that.

In the case of Bisco's Collar, despite it being a conditional modifier, it has no explicit definition of who needs to be doing the killing. And slain mobs by minions does fall into that condition and then get's added on top of your IIR/IIQ which affects minion kills. You can actually see a difference in loot drops using Bisco's and/or MF gear. Which is why I still believe that Spectre Summoner is the best MF build out there, even compared to top end Windripper MF chars.

What does not work is when you try to alter the minion's IIR/IIQ stat by forcing them through uniques-passive interaction like the old Wheel shield and Necro Aegis. Since minions have 0 base IIR/IIQ, so nothing gets multiplied.

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murilomuka wrote:

Hey, I'm trying a different approach of the build (changed a little bit the Passive Tree) and definitely don't like Necromantic Aegis at all, so I'm guessing Victario's Charity is not a solid item choice for me. What shield do you guys think could replace it? Ahn's Heritage or some rare/Shaped shield?

Also, what more I could improve in my build? Currently I am farming very good around T10~T11 maps, but I feel I could improve a lot (also, running 3 SG + 1 Cannibal Fire-Eater, I noticed my DPS in packs is still good and improved on the bosses).

This is my gear:

Rare shaper shield with +1 to max resists and max life recovered on block if you do Bone Offering setup.

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kpham1991 wrote:

Quick Question: Is Abyss jewel better than the regular jewel ??

By a huge margin, yes.