{3.2.0} Spectral Gods: [Life Based Spectre/Golem Hybrid Summoner | Clear Speed | End Game Bossing]

"

poolie147 wrote:

Any good way to test this? it most be very close and also depend on playstyle EE dual curse etc.

"

kompaniet wrote:

Has anyone noticed that flame sentinels actually alternate between single fireballs + fork OR fireballs + lmp. I noticed this today when observing them closely =)

"

mattc3303 wrote:

"

kompaniet wrote:

Has anyone noticed that flame sentinels actually alternate between single fireballs + fork OR fireballs + lmp. I noticed this today when observing them closely =)

Yeah I did notice this. I linked slower projectiles to test and I think they are alternating now.

Am still not a fan of projectile based spectres because of it being projectile based it doesn't work very well in indoor maps and there seems to be a lot of missed projectiles in out door maps as well. Its all a matter of preference but faster casting + flesh offering evangelist pretty much never misses for me since they draw their circle so rapidly. The high map version evangelist chunks my zombies so when I use those as spectre they pretty much destroy anything lol.

---------------
Assuming dual midnights, not including faster casting and iaoe since it is the same in both cases.

Trap
105% + 60%(MB) * (1.48(mine) * 1.34(trap) * 1.69(conc))

165 * 3.35 = 455% = 5.55*

Min Dmg
105% + 92% + 60%(MB) * (1.48(mine) * 1.69(conc))

257% * 2.5 = 642% = 7.42*

"

"More" dmg effects doesn't multiply with each other...

"

Imagine I have 100 life, and two passive skills that give "15% increased Maximum Life". These stack additively, so the result is
100 + (100 * .15) + (100 * .15), or 100 * (1 + .15 + .15) = 130 life

Now I equip an item that gives +40 life, and choose a passive skill that grants +20 life. The integer bonuses are applied first, so I end up with
(100 + 40 + 20) * (1 + .15 + .15) = 160 * 1.3 = 208 life

Now I choose two passive skills that gives "10% more Maximum Life". These are multiplicative, so they are applied separately.
(100 + 40 + 20) * (1 + .15 + .15) * 1.10 * 1.10 = 251.68 life

Note that if they were additive, the result would be
(100 + 40 + 20) * (1 + .15 + .15 + .1 + .1) = 240 life

"

I still wonder-why? Why evangelists? In close maps like academy they're like others. Always somewhere else, but not there where you need them. But they kill everything a way longer.

"

mattc3303 wrote:

"

"More" dmg effects doesn't multiply with each other...

But it does. There is no point in differentiating between additional and more if it didn't.

Here is an example from poe wiki

"

Imagine I have 100 life, and two passive skills that give "15% increased Maximum Life". These stack additively, so the result is
100 + (100 * .15) + (100 * .15), or 100 * (1 + .15 + .15) = 130 life

Now I equip an item that gives +40 life, and choose a passive skill that grants +20 life. The integer bonuses are applied first, so I end up with
(100 + 40 + 20) * (1 + .15 + .15) = 160 * 1.3 = 208 life

Now I choose two passive skills that gives "10% more Maximum Life". These are multiplicative, so they are applied separately.
(100 + 40 + 20) * (1 + .15 + .15) * 1.10 * 1.10 = 251.68 life

Note that if they were additive, the result would be
(100 + 40 + 20) * (1 + .15 + .15 + .1 + .1) = 240 life

"

I still wonder-why? Why evangelists? In close maps like academy they're like others. Always somewhere else, but not there where you need them. But they kill everything a way longer.

I suppose its again a matter of preference. I like how hatred works on them oppose to sentinels, and Titty-bitches need lmp/gmp to cover aoe effectively, and those are less multipliers. At the end of the day the difference is quite minimal maybe 1 second or so. I was never a fan of projectile based spectre I was running BM's till the day they nerfed them.

I can list a couple features the evangelist has and why i prefer them

- easy access to 67 version, next next to wp
- defensive proximity shield
- deals physical spell (cannot be dodge and things like +75% fire resistance won't affect their dmg dramatically) mobs have at most 930 armor making physical damage the most effective dmg type as mobs have no mitigation against it.
- 100% physical spell: the conversion to hatred/added fire is way better than titty-bitches 50% physical 50% fire
- damage comes from under the mobs there is no way in hell it can miss on walls
- If your cast speed is fast enough most monsters cannot dodge in time (unless they are the really fast kinds, like snakes)
- Since I single curse vulnerability serves to buff both my spectre and zombies at the same time and I love efficiency
- way less clutter, I use to run sentinels but damn that projectile clutter really annoys me and serves to drop the fps of people I run with if they have lower end specs
- way easier to target invul totem with a dmg type that comes from the ground and can bypass the pack to hit the totem