{3.2.0} Spectral Gods: [Life Based Spectre/Golem Hybrid Summoner | Clear Speed | End Game Bossing]

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Matt you said Haste means a huge boost in dps for Zombies/bubbles, why don't you like those 2 minion attack/cast speed nodes?

Same question.

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Also, I am at a point where my mana regen is 327 without discipline and 424 with it, which will increase as my clarity is 17/20% now. I need discipline in half life/mana regen maps but otherwise in normal scenario, does it help the minions much with increase ES considering I can handle lvl 20 AA without it?

It does. You'll have to look after them and push 12345 more often without it than with it. Also, discipline increases your leftover mana pool, that's really importaint with MoM. If you use AA only, try running wrath instead of it.

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Or you recommend grace/determination (I am not using IR anymore, respeced as you mentioned with cloack) to help zombies instead of discipline.

I still wonder how determ helps here without IR? I prefer spending tons of nodes from life into IR, I don't trust evasion. But maybe i have to try...

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Also I have stopped using vitality, they have enough life regen with passive nodes+secular helm and vitality on top of that doesn't boost much IMO if you can use reju totem properly. I am levelling up both purity of fire/lightning so that I can use them instead of vitality depending on map.

Idk why, but I still prefer using vitality. Even with all nodes it helps a lot (imo). 200 HPS for zombies isn't too little to drop it, as for me. Also, it helps with smoke mine in difficult situations.

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I don't know why few fellow summoners having troubles to keep zombies alive in 70-71 maps. I stopped using minion life/bone offering and changed to more DPS, still not loosing any minions and dont see them loosing HP as well.

Because they run with 18lvl gems or without snapshot items, or without seething flasks of animation.

You are missing the point that to increase the mana pool discipline need a good amount of mana reserved, obviously the result is 100 more mana left which isn't much boost for my leftover mana anymore but for minions I think grace is better than discipline, and if you are in a party which has determination 'on' as well, minions becomes godlike. Discipline's base ES is not high enough compared to grace which has 2k+ base evasion (multiplied by 50% with determination) which boost the minions hugely IMO, but I am still doing the tests.

Regarding Vitality, I really don't find much use anymore, as with passive and skull head snapshot minions already have 4.5% regen and 4% life leach, so Vitality (<2% regen) won't boost them that much. Add reju totem on top of that if required. I would rather run purity of fire/light depending on map.

And I was surprised cos none of my gem is 20/20 yet (I am a new player), RZ and RS are 19/0 and other suppports 18/0, still I dont have much problem in lvl 72 ish maps, haven't got higher level map drops yet, but in party I have done 74 ish maps as well without much problem.

I have recently started using faster attack instead of minion life for zombies and with flesh offering/Multistrike/Haste/vulnarability, zombies are doing insane damage. I think those 2 nodes gives 12% more attack for zombies which is a good boost theoretically.

Note that I am not using IR anymore, and my armor/evasion not good enough with the changed set up, but I was talking about Minions, deter+grace combo works great for them, try once and let us know the result. I can share my lvl 18 ish gems to you if you wanna do testing cos I know you are running 7 auras, so you can test without gear swapping unlike me.

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Matt you said Haste means a huge boost in dps for Zombies/bubbles, why don't you like those 2 minion attack/cast speed nodes?

I suppose you could grab them. I was trying to balance out my point usage, dropping 2 pts in speed would probably mean dropping 16% life node.

I think I was using vitality due to my low dex, it also has a 40% reserve which is good more MoM , more mana left over. I think it also gave my character very high life regen for better sustain.

I don't have problems keeping my zombies alive in a party on a 70-71 map. But if i go solo on said 70-71 map they might die.

Maybe i need to use skeletons as distraction to keep them alive better i dunno.

Got the passives sorted now so they survive better than before but lvl 18 zombies are weak that's a fact and there's no getting around it. Just level the gem higher i suppose.

I take comfort knowing it will be easier once i lvl the gem to lvl 19 or 20.

I have been playing a melee charahter where gem lvl don't matter so i'm a real summoner newbie so to speak. Was unaware how important gem level is for casters/summoners.

If you are using Matt's set up with mentioned gem/passive tree, snapshotting etc lvl 18 gems wont be a problem soloing lvl 70/71 maps I can guarantee unless its Villa/temple/Jungle Valley/torture chamber where u need different tactic. And those are difficult with high level gems as well without proper tactic.

I respected my tree out of the IR and went for the cloak. Holy crap what an improvement! 40% and inner force more than make up for the armor you lose from IR. My guy has trouble staying alive in 74 maps, not anymore

I should probably shelf the IR build. It seems like others and myself are seeing significant improvements using that build.

Good luck...bad luck.. another perfect pair of bones broken:

Im starting to badly hate flames sentinels... they tend to disengage and run arround too often. I was loving their fireball going lany screen but for now im fed.

Life for a summoner is always superior to low life or CI cause the flask will synergize and no passives are needed for LL or life regen (cost me like 10 points to get ghost reaver for a very low leech)

I think a level 72 life build will have better toughness than a lv 85 es.
Currently at lv 75.. i miss 12 points to have tve build operationnal..and 9 more points will give the last aura node (scion)
Having the 4 purity on (lv16) my minions can mildly thank the gmp icespear of merc piety but they are almost ready for dom.

When the gems will be lv 20 il decide if i drop some purity for some damage, i planning defensively:

All 4 pur + vit (mandatory while no shav) discipline clarity. I got accustomed to 80 res... the difference from 77 is way too big

I must be doing something really wrong..

Wanted to try this snapshoting and i keep failing.

My Spectres work fine dps wise, zombies do 0 dps pretty much.

I use Tabula Rasa first with zombie gem up left.
I put in support gems.
I summon the zombies.
I remove the support gems.
I add raise spectre to top right.
I add support gems.
I raise spectres.
I enter town.
I swap the raise zombie and raise spectre to the other chest armor at the same position.

Now this should be it? Why won't it work. :(

Well your minions are not disappearing so your doing that part right. Can't really tell whats wrong unless u give me further details. Maybe your gem levels are low ? Your accidentally summoning the zombies again with no support gems?