Absolutely disapointed -- This game is hard, and not in a fun way.

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KingAlamar#4071 wrote:

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

The reason why they're trolls is because they keep moving the goalpost, deny evidence that their point is incorrect, and knowingly make false claims even after being shown evidence that they were incorrect, not because they are voicing feedback.

Oddly enough I feel the same way with my particular "one issue" with the game. When I've brought it up and referred to psychometric tests [science] backing up my point of view I was told repeatedly "skillz issue" or "git gud" when the science says that is NOT a reasonable expectation in the context in question.

Unfortunately I suspect I'm in a sufficiently low minority demographically that not enough people share my issues OR they've already quit the game. I'm sure it's "some" of the latter but my sense of the issue is more the former.


Note: It's not that I can't play any ARPG. I'm fine on D1, D2, SSF Rutheless PoE1 and some others but my one issue in this game simply isn't focused on by the other games -- at least not to this degree.

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diego_garber#0088 wrote:

The reason why I love PoE is that i DO NOT HAVE TO BE ZIZARAN to enjoy it.
Let's be honest, i've played for thousands of hours and I'm NOT good at it.

Do you know how many times I've killed Maven without being hit by the memory game? 0. I've never been able to dodge it with all the beams. It's a matter of skill. But you know? it never mattered because i had my freaking 6 portals. And by getting a lot more gear than what the GOOD players need, I can finally do it. In softcore of course.

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diego_garber#0088 wrote:

I've been playing PoE for years, and I have thousands of hours in the game.

Today I played PoE2 for ~5 hours and rage quit.

I failed to kill the act1 boss 10 times, i have 22 deaths, and honestly........ it's NOT FUN.

The reason why I love PoE is that i DO NOT HAVE TO BE ZIZARAN to enjoy it.
Let's be honest, i've played for thousands of hours and I'm NOT good at it.

Do you know how many times I've killed Maven without being hit by the memory game? 0. I've never been able to dodge it with all the beams. It's a matter of skill. But you know? it never mattered because i had my freaking 6 portals. And by getting a lot more gear than what the GOOD players need, I can finally do it. In softcore of course.

And in the campaign, I can try to kill brutus multiple times. On a brand new character I was never able to pass the second map without being killed by Roas at least once since the rework of act 1. I just can't. I try. I'm NOT GOOD. It didn't matter, because i could progress anyways!

The "dodge or die" mechanic is boring to me. I do NOT play souls games because they are boring. There are other people that DO like that. It's totally fine, but it's not the gaming i like. PoE2 feels a LOT more like "souls" than PoE1 IMHO.

That's why I rage-quit. Because i'm tired of one-shots and having to re-do the whole thing again. Because of losing progression. I'm barely in act 2 and i'm already tired of this.

I understand your decisions, but they are not fun for me. I don't even want to make another character right now to see if it changes anything. Because I won't be able to dodge the mechanics; and therefore I won't be able to play it.

It's a shame :( I was beyond excited.
I have suggestions, but I don't think they matter, because you went in a completely different direction than I'd like.

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EDIT:
When I created this post I never imagined it'd have more than 100 pages.
I want to make something clear: I LOVE GGG. They gave me PoE1. Best game ever.

I Believe i realized why it's SO DIVISIVE
* There are people who like the progression on GEAR/CURRENCY (like me)
* There are people who like the progression on "getting good"

PoE2 shifts A LOT from PoE1 in this regard. PoE1 you can get to the endgame and get a little bit of currency with almost any build as long as it makes sense.

My first PoE1 character was a minion build without understanding the tree. Sure, I made a lot of mistakes, but i finished the campaign and got a couple of chaos orbs... and then i could buy some things... etc

With PoE2 the choices i made didn't let me finish the campaign on 25+ hours. That got boring to me. I'm bad at mechanics.

PoE1 lets you ignore the mechanics for a lot longer WITHOUT GEAR NOR PLAYING WELL. PoE2 you need either one or the other :) and from act1. <== this is what is making a lot of people not like the game.

I believe that a SUB-PROBLEM of this is the WASD. I don't like it. But it makes the game substantially easier. But it's boring to me...

I think it's TOTALLY FINE to have this difficulty, but LATER IN THE GAME, when I can FARM $.

GGG: I believe that if you shift the difficulty to LATER (not making it easier per-se, but making it easier AT THE BEGINNING), you can please both type of players. OR, making it so you can grind gear on the campaign, but I doubt it, because item level restrictions, etc. ==> I'm totally fine with having to grind $ to buy my next upgrade to beat X boss. But for that I need to be on maps. Grinding gear on the campaign would "never" work IMHO

PLEASE LISTEN!!!! over 100 pages of people WANTING to love the game.

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Manfred_Sideous#1275 wrote:

I played POE2 today and the whole time I was wishing it was POE1. I like that the game is bigger (endgame). I do not like dodge roll. I hate that mobs just ignore my minions and just come to target me. I hate that the skill casting feels like a slightly tuned up version of Diablo4. Where you feel like you are waiting to cast.

I don't play dark souls. I don't play Diablo4. I do play POE1. I am leaning towards not playing POE2.

PS. I could get into EA 2 times based on my spending with GGG. For feedback I wouldn't feel inclined to spend my money on this game. I am sad. Mostly sad that POE 1 development and leagues suffered for THIS.

Edit* POE2 does not feel like a successor to POE1. It feels like a demented love child of Dark Souls and Diablo4 that takes decorating tips from POE1.

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LostSoulz289#8506 wrote:

Sorceress here, loving the game so far. It's not too hard at all, in fact, I find it to be too easy...

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alhazred70#2994 wrote:

5 hours... I really think they should just delete posts by people who are strenuously complaining about how hard the game is when they have 5h. There's just no way thats fair. No offense but for all we know you might be a guide gamer who'll be a lot happier after others tease out the strong stuff.

I might share your opinion honestly but I'm going to give it a lot more than 5h, hell I even choked down 20h of D4 before I gave up trying to enjoy myself and acknowledge my initial impressions of it being garbage. I'm not sold on Johnathan's idea that Souls-like is the correct direction for ARPG's at all... In fact I suspect I wont like it. I play ARPG's because they're about characters and gearing, and NOT my reflexes.

But in 5h there's no chance you adapted enough, unlearned POE1 enough, experimented enough, found enough gear or progressed a characters skills and passives enough to have a functional opinion, let alone a strongly worded one.

Chances are you're stuck on POE'1 1 button power creeped to the moon and back, solved meta; and you want a brand new game to feel the same.

And there's no way anyone could know tbh so don't act like I'm being mean or unreasonable even.

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warptmind#0075 wrote:

+1 as well. This feels like it wants to be a Souls game. Hopeful this will get balanced in the future. I'll stick with this season of POE for now.

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Pashid#4643 wrote:

nah, typical case of skill issue

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Pashid#4643 wrote:

nah, typical case of skill issue