Absolutely disapointed -- This game is hard, and not in a fun way.

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Though not absolutely, I'm also a little bit disappointed as well personally.

In my personal view, there are 2 types of games & gamers.

1. They view their game as an ACHIEVEMENT.
They treat their game & what they do in-game as an accomplishment. So they value the game based on the challenges they achieved just like in real life.
This mostly falls to the dedicated hardcore fans and the "elitist" type.

2. They view their game as an ENTERTAINMENT.
They treat their game just to pass time, just like watching tv/movies, sports, & hobbies. So they evaluate the game base on it's entertainment value over their time. This mostly falls to the casual crowd.

I'm already an old soul, not a streamer, nor a pro gamer. At this point in my life, I only view all my games as an ENTARTAINMENT, no matter how many hours I dedicated myself to it. Even if I have a thousand hours on PoE, I don't consider myself a Hardcore type, it just means I had a lot of time to spend on my entertainment.

So I'll evaluate PoE 2 based on its entertainment value for me. Besides, PoE 2 is just a single-player game & not even an eSports, so why bother treating it as an achievement?

And at its current iteration, I'm not Entertain...

I reject your false dichotomy.

I also view games as entertainment and not accomplishment. I'm also a middle-aged man (a little older than you) with a full-time job that isn't streaming video games, and whose aging hands can only do so many hours of intense gaming in a week-end, these days. I couldn't care less about posturing online about my in-game accomplishments; I play through games very slowly, and I'm well behind more-skilled players in my progression through this game, which is true to every game I play. I'm also rubbish at most games I play, including PoE1, which I played for nearly 11 years and in which I still haven't beaten most of the pinnacle bosses.

And I'm loving PoE2.

If you're not entertained, then that's fine: you feel how you feel, and your feelings are not invalid. But please stop talking for players like me. You're definitely trying to, and you definitely don't.


I think you misunderstood my whole post. Those 2 categories I mentioned is just my it's a introductory background & explanation of where I categorized myself into "entertainment" crowd.

But I DID NOT say anything about if you fall to the "entertainment" crowd you should not like PoE2 as well.

My entertainment with the current iteration of PoE2 in just my personal opinion, & I'm not saying all casual should do the same.
"A game IS supposed to waste your time but it's not supposed to make you FEEL like you're wasting your time:
It's supposed to make you WANT to waste your time."
Yes and? that is not evidence of player retention. It is the new hotness and is a good game, but early numbers and reviews are not indicative of life long growth like PoE1 has had. Also a ton of those positive reviews were "Stuck in queue, still better than d4". You know what else was glowing and flying high and praised for its difficulty? Helldivers 2. Then they focused too much on the keeping the difficulty and it fell off a cliff (the Sony account debacle came after it fell of a cliff and just added insult to injury).

Reviews also seems to ignore the reality of the PoE2 gameplay league that will be the same as PoE1's, which is get through the campaign to endgame so you can farm (devs even admit they need people to reach endgame to keep them). A long difficult campaign will kill this type of loop. They do the typical thing of just look at the now rather than think about the future for a game that has to pull in money for its entire lifetime. If this was just a one and done game and not a live service, the difficulty early would be fantastic, but as a live service, requiring repeated runs through the campaign, it is a bad approach.
I don´t mind difficulty that much.


But I agree that if you are lacking skills in aRPG you should be able to brute force this with gear. And so far it looks like PoE2 is missing that part.
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Just a word for the "skill issue" and "git gud" crowd : you're right! If you're really good the game feels much better. But catering solely to that audience is not economically sustainable.

So if GGG sticks to this approach, you will be happy to enjoy the game among yourselves until it very quickly dies. Simple as that (idiots).

Some of them are actually encouraging people to go play something else because POE 2 is not for them! You have to be a special kind of idiot to so explicitly saw the branch you're sitting on.


I don't know man. I'm "Good" now I think, I kill most bosses sub 1 minute, rarely die more than once (Four times to get the hang of Viper's mechanics). I still quit yesterday. This isn't what I want in an ARPG, this is fun to play through the story once, maybe, at least Elden Ring/Souls games are predictable and consistent, this is random every map.

I played this like I played Elden Ring, did most of it, made 3 chars, got bored. Those games never really appealed to me (Except Dark souls 1, that was perfect, not sure if it was because I was younger, or the great pvp). I want an ARPG not a souls game, poe 1, LE, hell even D4 is more of an ARPG than this right now.
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Absolutely disapointed -- This game is hard


Laughing hard
Auctioneer House - is a MUST!
'POE2' is not 'POE1 2.0'! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3614313
Bruh you're kidding me? I finished Act 1 on Hardcore, and you can't do it in casual? If you don't wanna dodge, there's a special passive skill that removes dodge mechanic entirely.
Yeap, the tryhards are still here. Thinking that massive damage, cheap tricks is somehow 'difficulty'. It's not, but hey, they actually think copying builds in a game genre built on RNG is somehow 'skill'.

Comedy gold.

Worse, they just want to force this game back to PoE1, which GGG spun out of, because they realized that PoE is just too complex, too convoluted for new players, which they need because the old crew just aren't enough anymore to survive on, to get into.

But the 'fans' don't care, this is THEIR private club and you're not welcome!

To expand on why I did not like PoE2, again just speaking for myself.
It will be a long post if I write all in, but it's actually almost I have the same opinion as what Kripp said on his YouTube POE2 review, except put those shoes in a non-Ruthless player. So, in short, I totally agree with all that he said.

If a dedicated Ruthless player like Kripp said it's too much, how much it will be for a non-Ruthless player like myself.
"A game IS supposed to waste your time but it's not supposed to make you FEEL like you're wasting your time:
It's supposed to make you WANT to waste your time."
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To expand on why I did not like PoE2, again just speaking for myself.
It will be a long post if I write all in, but it's actually almost I have the same opinion as what Kripp said on his YouTube POE2 review, except put those shoes in a non-Ruthless player. So, in short, I totally agree with all that he said.

If a dedicated Ruthless player like Kripp said it's too much, how much it will be for a non-Ruthless player like myself.


The sad part is that these players don't care, this is THEIR club, and we're not welcome.
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Though not absolutely, I'm also a little bit disappointed as well personally.

In my personal view, there are 2 types of games & gamers.


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